Marlies Talk 14/15 | aka What's Nylander up to?

[seahawk]

Here's a gif of the Loov hit:

That was a hell of a hit. He was given 5 and a game for a check to the head. Honestly didn't seem that bad to me. The guy was skating with his head down and out. I certainly don't think that there was any targeting of the head there.

AHL just came down with a 2 game suspension.
http://theahl.com/ahl-announces-suspension-p197641

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That's a brutal call. Head contact was completely unavoidable because of the position the Griffins player put himself in.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

That's a brutal call. Head contact was completely unavoidable because of the position the Griffins player put himself in.

I guess the thinking is if the player is in that position don't hit him like that.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I guess the thinking is if the player is in that position don't hit him like that.

The rule that I posted pretty clearly absolves a player of wrongdoing if "the opponent put(s) himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable". That's pretty much a textbook example of that.

 

[Kin]

I guess the thinking is if the player is in that position don't hit him like that.

The rule that I posted pretty clearly absolves a player of wrongdoing if "the opponent put(s) himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable". That's pretty much a textbook example of that.

I don't really read the rule the same way. I think what that's saying is that if the hit is unavoidable and the player has his head down, it's not a penalty. Not that if a player has his head down, you have free license to hit him in the head.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The rule that I posted pretty clearly absolves a player of wrongdoing if "the opponent put(s) himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable". That's pretty much a textbook example of that.

I don't really read the rule the same way. I think what that's saying is that if the hit is unavoidable and the player has his head down, it's not a penalty. Not that if a player has his head down, you have free license to hit him in the head.

That's not how I read it. If that's the case, then what? Are you not allowed to hit players from a certain direction if they're skating with their heads down & out? The way I read it: if Loov hit Nastasiuk in that same way but the guy wasn't slouched down, would it have been a full body check? Yes. Because of Nastasiuk's posture did what would have been a full body check turn into a headshot? Yes. Then it shouldn't be considered an illegal hit to the head. I'm fine with giving players penalties in those types of situations, just not suspensions.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The rule that I posted pretty clearly absolves a player of wrongdoing if "the opponent put(s) himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable". That's pretty much a textbook example of that.

I don't really read the rule the same way. I think what that's saying is that if the hit is unavoidable and the player has his head down, it's not a penalty. Not that if a player has his head down, you have free license to hit him in the head.

That's not how I read it. If that's the case, then what? Are you not allowed to hit players from a certain direction if they're skating with their heads down & out? The way I read it: if Loov hit Nastasiuk in that same way but the guy wasn't slouched down, would it have been a full body check? Yes. Because of Nastasiuk's posture did what would have been a full body check turn into a headshot? Yes. Then it shouldn't be considered an illegal hit to the head. I'm fine with giving players penalties in those types of situations, just not suspensions.

I take it to mean if a player is going in for a hit and the other player alters his position to make head contact unavoidable then that will be considered.

In this case it looks to me like there's quite a gap in time where Nastasiuk is skating forward with his head leaning forward and Loov still comes over and nails him.  I don't think it's a situation that was unavoidable to hit the head.

 

[Kin]

That's not how I read it. If that's the case, then what? Are you not allowed to hit players from a certain direction if they're skating with their heads down & out?

I do think that's how they'll lean, yes. I confess I don't watch enough AHL hockey to really say if this is an inconsistent decision with regards to other similar hits but just reading the rule the way I do I think, yeah, Loov didn't have to hit him so the rule says he can't.

 

[Crucialness Key]

I guess the thinking is if the player is in that position don't hit him like that.

The rule that I posted pretty clearly absolves a player of wrongdoing if "the opponent put(s) himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable". That's pretty much a textbook example of that.

"assuming a posture" being defined as "playing against Ovechkin"

 

[bustaheims]

Really, that's a pretty textbook example of the kind of "blindside hit" the NHL was trying to get out of the game a couple seasons ago.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Does anyone know why Percy didn't play in Game 2?  I saw that he started Game 1, had an assist and was a +2, but wasn't in the lineup for Game 2 (looks like Nilsson took his spot).  Anybody recall if he was injured in Game 1?  Hopefully not, we'll need him in the lineup now that Loov is suspended.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Does anyone know why Percy didn't play in Game 2?  I saw that he started Game 1, had an assist and was a +2, but wasn't in the lineup for Game 2 (looks like Nilsson took his spot).  Anybody recall if he was injured in Game 1?  Hopefully not, we'll need him in the lineup now that Loov is suspended.

Coach wouldn't confirm if Percy was a healthy scratch or not. It'll be him, Valiev, or Knodel going in.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Does anyone know why Percy didn't play in Game 2?  I saw that he started Game 1, had an assist and was a +2, but wasn't in the lineup for Game 2 (looks like Nilsson took his spot).  Anybody recall if he was injured in Game 1?  Hopefully not, we'll need him in the lineup now that Loov is suspended.

Coach wouldn't confirm if Percy was a healthy scratch or not. It'll be him, Valiev, or Knodel going in.

Thanks for the response CtB.  Looking closer at the Game 1 gamesheet, I saw that he assisted on the empty net goal- so he didn't leave the game due to injury but that doesn't mean he wasn't playing hurt or that he didn't aggravate something. 

If not due to injury, interesting that he's that far down the depth chart in the coaches eyes after such a strong start to the season.  I know part of his fall has been due to injuries throughout the season and maybe he's just not back up to speed yet.

Would be nice to see Valiev play, IF the coaching staff deems he's ready.  Sounds like he had a fantastic season in the WHL.

 

[Highlander]

In any case that guy "Gotta whole lotta Loov".

 

[Frank E]

Does anyone know why Percy didn't play in Game 2?  I saw that he started Game 1, had an assist and was a +2, but wasn't in the lineup for Game 2 (looks like Nilsson took his spot).  Anybody recall if he was injured in Game 1?  Hopefully not, we'll need him in the lineup now that Loov is suspended.

Coach wouldn't confirm if Percy was a healthy scratch or not. It'll be him, Valiev, or Knodel going in.

Admittedly, I haven't watched the Marlies play lately...but does it make any sense that he would be a healthy scratch?  If so, that's kind of a big deal.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I'm very excited for the next game, I'll definitely be watching this instead of the Wings/Tampa game.

 

[Crucialness Key]

Does anyone know why Percy didn't play in Game 2?  I saw that he started Game 1, had an assist and was a +2, but wasn't in the lineup for Game 2 (looks like Nilsson took his spot).  Anybody recall if he was injured in Game 1?  Hopefully not, we'll need him in the lineup now that Loov is suspended.

Coach wouldn't confirm if Percy was a healthy scratch or not. It'll be him, Valiev, or Knodel going in.

Thanks for the response CtB.  Looking closer at the Game 1 gamesheet, I saw that he assisted on the empty net goal- so he didn't leave the game due to injury but that doesn't mean he wasn't playing hurt or that he didn't aggravate something. 

If not due to injury, interesting that he's that far down the depth chart in the coaches eyes after such a strong start to the season.  I know part of his fall has been due to injuries throughout the season and maybe he's just not back up to speed yet.

Would be nice to see Valiev play, IF the coaching staff deems he's ready.  Sounds like he had a fantastic season in the WHL.

Percy assisting on the EN means he was playing the final minutes with the game on the line, so the coaches must still like him, right?  Some kind of injury complication seems more likely to me.  (Which also ain't great news, though)

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Percy assisting on the EN means he was playing the final minutes with the game on the line, so the coaches must still like him, right?  Some kind of injury complication seems more likely to me.  (Which also ain't great news, though)

I don't know if CP read it wrong or if it was adjusted after, but the current boxscore doesn't have Percy assisting on the empty-netter. It actually doesn't even have him on the ice when it was scored. Not sure if that means much. It does seem a little like Percy hasn't taken as much of a step forward as maybe we'd have hoped he would this season. Maybe it's because of injuries, but it seems like Loov/Nilsson may have passed him on the depth chart.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Percy assisting on the EN means he was playing the final minutes with the game on the line, so the coaches must still like him, right?  Some kind of injury complication seems more likely to me.  (Which also ain't great news, though)

I don't know if CP read it wrong or if it was adjusted after, but the current boxscore doesn't have Percy assisting on the empty-netter. It actually doesn't even have him on the ice when it was scored. Not sure if that means much. It does seem a little like Percy hasn't taken as much of a step forward as maybe we'd have hoped he would this season. Maybe it's because of injuries, but it seems like Loov/Nilsson may have passed him on the depth chart.

Bah!  I don't know where that thought came from.  Yes, he wasn't on the ice and didn't get an assist- I don't think it was changed later.

Looking further back, the last weekend of the regular season the Marlies had 3 games in 3 nights April 17-19... Percy only played the first game.  Something is definitely up there, as he's basically played 2 of the last 6 games.  Prior to that he had played in 5 or 6 straight.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Looking further back, the last weekend of the regular season the Marlies had 3 games in 3 nights April 17-19... Percy only played the first game.  Something is definitely up there, as he's basically played 2 of the last 6 games.  Prior to that he had played in 5 or 6 straight.

Seems like MacWilliam's return to the Marlies pushed him out of the line-up.