Parise to Minnesota

[Omallley]

These deals only go to 40 though so I don't think it's fair to assume any of them won't be played. This is just an issue of front-loading.

A lot more plausible than Kovalchuck or Luongo's, for sure.

 

[maplesyrup]

Yay! A player poll!

Jason Kay ‏@JKTHN
For what it's worth, Parise ranked No. 29, Suter No. 34 on our Top 50 players poll last season. Voting was done by 150 NHLers.
Retweeted by Adam Proteau

Anyway you slice it, it's crazy money for a couple of very good (not elite) players.

 

[princedpw]

Gord Miller ‏@GMillerTSN
The NHL has vowed to close that loophole, and warned teams that the transition rules would be harsh, but 14 teams have at least one of them.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

There are lots of proposals on how to change the contract rules going forward.  One thing that I hope that happens is that if you have an existing contract and one year you save X dollars because the cap hit of a guy is Y and his actual salary is Y+X then at some point, you must add the X back on to your cap.  For example, suppose the contract is structured like this:

year  salary    cap hit
1      Y + X      Y
2      Y + X      Y
3      Y - X      Y
4      Y - X      Y

Suppose the guy retires after year 2 (or perhaps you trade him) so you have paid him 2Y + 2X but your cap hit over his time has been just 2Y.  Then you still take the 2X cap hit in some future year.  Even though he's no longer playing or no longer playing for you, you might have to take a cap hit of X in each of the next 2 years.  It would be applied somewhat like a buyout is applied to the cap.

 

[Kin]

Anyway you slice it, it's crazy money for a couple of very good (not elite) players.

Not really. As a % of the cap it seems pretty consistent. Sure you might point at Crosby only making 1.2 more than Parise and say it's too much but there are some guys making 6-6.5 who Parise's significantly better than too.

 

[Deebo]

I'd consider Parise elite, don't know enough about Suter to say either way.

 

[bustaheims]

I'd consider Parise elite, don't know enough about Suter to say either way.

I guess that's sort of in the same area where I'm at. I'd have no problem with Parise at $7.5M given the current cap ceiling. I'm not so sure about Suter, though. I think he was likely overpaid.

 

[Kin]

For what it's worth Suter finished 8th in Norris Trophy voting.

 

[Omallley]

Yay! A player poll!

Jason Kay ‏@JKTHN
For what it's worth, Parise ranked No. 29, Suter No. 34 on our Top 50 players poll last season. Voting was done by 150 NHLers.
Retweeted by Adam Proteau

Anyway you slice it, it's crazy money for a couple of very good (not elite) players.

Tied for 7th highest cap hit in the league. The funny thing is there are quite a few players in the top 15 who aren't anywhere near good value.

 

[maplesyrup]

Anyway you slice it, it's crazy money for a couple of very good (not elite) players.

Not really. As a % of the cap it seems pretty consistent. Sure you might point at Crosby only making 1.2 more than Parise and say it's too much but there are some guys making 6-6.5 who Parise's significantly better than too.

Yes, really. In the proper context, they're joining a bunch of other players worth contracts that are just bananas and sure, Parise is better than a bunch of other wingers with a 6-6.5 cap hit but my issue isn't really with that. It's the term and overall pay-out. 98 mil  ... Whatever though... Like I said, good for Minny fans.     

 

[maplesyrup]

I'd consider Parise elite, don't know enough about Suter to say either way.

I guess that's sort of in the same area where I'm at. I'd have no problem with Parise at $7.5M given the current cap ceiling. I'm not so sure about Suter, though. I think he was likely overpaid.

I actually have no problem with either cap hit.

 

[Kin]

Yes, really. In the proper context, they're joining a bunch of other players worth contracts that are just bananas and sure, Parise is better than a bunch of other wingers with a 6-6.5 cap hit but my issue isn't really with that. It's the term and overall pay-out. 

So the proper context wasn't the pecking order of NHL salaries?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

For what it's worth Suter finished 8th in Norris Trophy voting.

And that THN poll (although I admit I have multiple issues with it) has him as the 5th best defenceman in the league (with Lidstrom retired). I think that's a fair place to slot him.

 

[maplesyrup]

Yes, really. In the proper context, they're joining a bunch of other players worth contracts that are just bananas and sure, Parise is better than a bunch of other wingers with a 6-6.5 cap hit but my issue isn't really with that. It's the term and overall pay-out. 

So the proper context wasn't the pecking order of NHL salaries?

Yes and no. The proper context was total compensation. I don't think either are worth a 100 mil... Like I said, I have no issue with either guy at 7.5 per. 

 

[Kin]

For what it's worth Suter finished 8th in Norris Trophy voting.

And that THN poll (although I admit I have multiple issues with it) has him as the 5th best defenceman in the league (with Lidstrom retired). I think that's a fair place to slot him.

Yeah, I think both guys are comfortably top 10 in the league at their positions. The line between that and "elite" seems pretty meaningless to me.

 

[Kessel Run]

Wild.

 

[maplesyrup]

And that THN poll (although I admit I have multiple issues with it) has him as the 5th best defenceman in the league (with Lidstrom retired). I think that's a fair place to slot him.

Very quickly, I might have Karlsson, Letang, Keith, Doughty, Weber, Chara, and Maybe Yandle ahead of Suter... I might be forgetting another guy or two. No question he's in my top 10 but I don't think he'd make my top five. 

 

[Kin]

Actually I was just looking at it and, ignoring contracts for a moment, I think a very good argument can be made that Parise is the best winger in the league.

 

[maplesyrup]

For what it's worth Suter finished 8th in Norris Trophy voting.

And that THN poll (although I admit I have multiple issues with it) has him as the 5th best defenceman in the league (with Lidstrom retired). I think that's a fair place to slot him.

Yeah, I think both guys are comfortably top 10 in the league at their positions. The line between that and "elite" seems pretty meaningless to me.

I wouldn't consider Parise a top 10 forward at all... Winger? Likely.

 

[Jalili]

For years the general consensus among predator fans was that suter was as good, if not better, than weber.

 

[Kin]

I wouldn't consider Parise a top 10 forward at all... Winger? Likely.

His last three healthy seasons he's averaged 38 goals and 82 points. For some perspective, Alex Ovechkin is at 40 and 86.