Russian jet carrying hockey team Lokomotiv crashes

[MonikaM]

Crash site video:

http://www.sovsport.ru/video/gallery-item/s0_4606

 

[cw]

Players like Jagr repeatedly voiced concerns about quality of Russian aircrafts.

I've worked on a several of them in my time and even to my untrained eye (I'm not a mechanic) most of them had a least one thing that caught my eye as spotty... but like I said, my preliminary feeling is weight & balance.

Your suspicions may prove correct:

dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Russian aviation officials are saying the plane may have been over the allowed take-off weight. It crashed 7-8 sec after hitting radar

The internet is rammed with video stuffed Russian planes going off the runway for this very reason. Unfortunately, many airlines (not just Russian) with less stringent safety regulations (both internal and external) put maximizing revenue further ahead on the priority scale then perhaps it should be. I suspect this bird wasn't just carrying athletes and their equipment. I suspect there was other cargo on board and it's weight was misrepresented. 

Edit: Though again, I'm only speculating.

Saw a tweet saying the plane was made in 1993 ... fyi ...

 

[Peter D.]

Saw this elsewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYfnuVlSL9I&feature=player_embedded#

I didn't listen to it as I'm at work, but it's in Russian.  The reactions are telling.  Kozlov looks absolutely devastated.

 

[maplesyrup]

Players like Jagr repeatedly voiced concerns about quality of Russian aircrafts.

I've worked on a several of them in my time and even to my untrained eye (I'm not a mechanic) most of them had a least one thing that caught my eye as spotty... but like I said, my preliminary feeling is weight & balance.

Your suspicions may prove correct:

dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Russian aviation officials are saying the plane may have been over the allowed take-off weight. It crashed 7-8 sec after hitting radar

The internet is rammed with video stuffed Russian planes going off the runway for this very reason. Unfortunately, many airlines (not just Russian) with less stringent safety regulations (both internal and external) put maximizing revenue further ahead on the priority scale then perhaps it should be. I suspect this bird wasn't just carrying athletes and their equipment. I suspect there was other cargo on board and it's weight was misrepresented. 

Edit: Though again, I'm only speculating.

Saw a tweet saying the plane was made in 1993 ... fyi ...

'63 or '03 isn't what I believe to be the issue here.

 

[Kessel Run]

Players like Jagr repeatedly voiced concerns about quality of Russian aircrafts.

I've worked on a several of them in my time and even to my untrained eye (I'm not a mechanic) most of them had a least one thing that caught my eye as spotty... but like I said, my preliminary feeling is weight & balance.

Your suspicions may prove correct:

dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Russian aviation officials are saying the plane may have been over the allowed take-off weight. It crashed 7-8 sec after hitting radar

The internet is rammed with video stuffed Russian planes going off the runway for this very reason. Unfortunately, many airlines (not just Russian) with less stringent safety regulations (both internal and external) put maximizing revenue further ahead on the priority scale then perhaps it should be. I suspect this bird wasn't just carrying athletes and their equipment. I suspect there was other cargo on board and it's weight was misrepresented. 

Edit: Though again, I'm only speculating.

Saw a tweet saying the plane was made in 1993 ... fyi ...

Which is not very old when it comes to airplanes. Air Canada has planes just as old, or older.

 

[Pucken Chronic]

Players like Jagr repeatedly voiced concerns about quality of Russian aircrafts.

I've worked on a several of them in my time and even to my untrained eye (I'm not a mechanic) most of them had a least one thing that caught my eye as spotty... but like I said, my preliminary feeling is weight & balance.

Your suspicions may prove correct:

dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Russian aviation officials are saying the plane may have been over the allowed take-off weight. It crashed 7-8 sec after hitting radar

The internet is rammed with video stuffed Russian planes going off the runway for this very reason. Unfortunately, many airlines (not just Russian) with less stringent safety regulations (both internal and external) put maximizing revenue further ahead on the priority scale then perhaps it should be. I suspect this bird wasn't just carrying athletes and their equipment. I suspect there was other cargo on board and it's weight was misrepresented. 

Edit: Though again, I'm only speculating.

Saw a tweet saying the plane was made in 1993 ... fyi ...

According to CTVnewsnet it was a mid-70's Russian built plane.

 

[bustaheims]

Saw this elsewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYfnuVlSL9I&feature=player_embedded#

I didn't listen to it as I'm at work, but it's in Russian.  The reactions are telling.  Kozlov looks absolutely devastated.

That video is almost surreal.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

This is just awful news to start the day. Very tragic loss.

RIP to all who were on board and sympathies to their families. Heavy heart once again in the hockey world.

 

[cw]

Players like Jagr repeatedly voiced concerns about quality of Russian aircrafts.

I've worked on a several of them in my time and even to my untrained eye (I'm not a mechanic) most of them had a least one thing that caught my eye as spotty... but like I said, my preliminary feeling is weight & balance.

Your suspicions may prove correct:

dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Russian aviation officials are saying the plane may have been over the allowed take-off weight. It crashed 7-8 sec after hitting radar

The internet is rammed with video stuffed Russian planes going off the runway for this very reason. Unfortunately, many airlines (not just Russian) with less stringent safety regulations (both internal and external) put maximizing revenue further ahead on the priority scale then perhaps it should be. I suspect this bird wasn't just carrying athletes and their equipment. I suspect there was other cargo on board and it's weight was misrepresented. 

Edit: Though again, I'm only speculating.

Saw a tweet saying the plane was made in 1993 ... fyi ...

According to CTVnewsnet it was a mid-70's Russian built plane.

http://twitter.com/#!/michalpetrak/status/111450959577759744
@michalpetrak
Michal Petr?k
This specific plane was built in 1993. 70's mentioned in one of my previous tweets is the decade of type construction.
43 minutes ago

He's a sports writer. I don't know if he's right.

 

[Stronger Than All]

more terrible news....  :'(

 

[ZBBM]

Players like Jagr repeatedly voiced concerns about quality of Russian aircrafts.

I've worked on a several of them in my time and even to my untrained eye (I'm not a mechanic) most of them had a least one thing that caught my eye as spotty... but like I said, my preliminary feeling is weight & balance.

Your suspicions may prove correct:

dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Russian aviation officials are saying the plane may have been over the allowed take-off weight. It crashed 7-8 sec after hitting radar

The internet is rammed with video stuffed Russian planes going off the runway for this very reason. Unfortunately, many airlines (not just Russian) with less stringent safety regulations (both internal and external) put maximizing revenue further ahead on the priority scale then perhaps it should be. I suspect this bird wasn't just carrying athletes and their equipment. I suspect there was other cargo on board and it's weight was misrepresented. 

Edit: Though again, I'm only speculating.

Saw a tweet saying the plane was made in 1993 ... fyi ...

According to CTVnewsnet it was a mid-70's Russian built plane.

http://twitter.com/#!/michalpetrak/status/111450959577759744
@michalpetrak
Michal Petr?k
This specific plane was built in 1993. 70's mentioned in one of my previous tweets is the decade of type construction.
43 minutes ago

He's a sports writer. I don't know if he's right.

NY Times is reporting this too, with the comment that '93 is not that old.

The only thing I can compare this to is when the Marshall University football team plane crashed many years ago.

 

[cw]

Players like Jagr repeatedly voiced concerns about quality of Russian aircrafts.

I've worked on a several of them in my time and even to my untrained eye (I'm not a mechanic) most of them had a least one thing that caught my eye as spotty... but like I said, my preliminary feeling is weight & balance.

Your suspicions may prove correct:

dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
Russian aviation officials are saying the plane may have been over the allowed take-off weight. It crashed 7-8 sec after hitting radar

The internet is rammed with video stuffed Russian planes going off the runway for this very reason. Unfortunately, many airlines (not just Russian) with less stringent safety regulations (both internal and external) put maximizing revenue further ahead on the priority scale then perhaps it should be. I suspect this bird wasn't just carrying athletes and their equipment. I suspect there was other cargo on board and it's weight was misrepresented. 

Edit: Though again, I'm only speculating.

Saw a tweet saying the plane was made in 1993 ... fyi ...

According to CTVnewsnet it was a mid-70's Russian built plane.

http://twitter.com/#!/michalpetrak/status/111450959577759744
@michalpetrak
Michal Petr?k
This specific plane was built in 1993. 70's mentioned in one of my previous tweets is the decade of type construction.
43 minutes ago

He's a sports writer. I don't know if he's right.

@ilkkav
Ilkka Viinikanoja
@samilepisto Ilta-Sanomat writes that the plane was taken into use in 1993 and was to be decommissioned at the beginning of October.
8 minutes ago vi

 

[leafsweetie]

Saw this elsewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYfnuVlSL9I&feature=player_embedded#

I didn't listen to it as I'm at work, but it's in Russian.  The reactions are telling.  Kozlov looks absolutely devastated.

According to Twitter, that's the President of the KHL (Medvedev) making the announcement after the first period of a season opener.

 

[ZBBM]

Saw this elsewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYfnuVlSL9I&feature=player_embedded#

I didn't listen to it as I'm at work, but it's in Russian.  The reactions are telling.  Kozlov looks absolutely devastated.

That video is almost surreal.

Very moving. 

And heartening, in a sad kind of way.  The ability of people to genuinely be affected by a tragedy that took the lives of men and women who, in all likelihood, were not personally known to them is a testament to the existence of a real common humanity.

 

[ZBBM]

Saw this elsewhere:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYfnuVlSL9I&feature=player_embedded#

I didn't listen to it as I'm at work, but it's in Russian.  The reactions are telling.  Kozlov looks absolutely devastated.

According to Twitter, that's the President of the KHL (Medvedev) making the announcement after the first period of a season opener.

From the NY Times article:

A cup match between hockey teams Salavat Yulaev and Atlant in the central Russian city of Ufa was called off midway after news of the crash was announced by Konintental Hockey League head Alexander Medvedev. Russian television broadcast images of an empty arena in Ufa as grief-stricken fans abandoned the stadium.

EDIT: NYT has just updated the article (with a rather blunt headline):

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/world/europe/08russia.html?hp

And this equally direct quote:

The list of victims was not immediately published, but a spokesman for Lokomotiv said the starting lineup and many of the top players had died.

?We have no team any more,? Vladimir N. Malkov, the spokesman, said in a telephone interview. ?All our starting players, and all the service people, they all burned in the crash.?

 

[Peter D.]

I'm curious -- how did the one passenger end up surviving?

Note: I read elsewhere that the second reported survivor had burns to 80% of his body and later died in hospital.  Don't know if that's been confirmed or not.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I can't help but think that for a few seconds, they all knew they were done for... It gives me shivers. 

That's what I was thinking as well.  They couldn't get altitude and then hit the antenna...they were probably well aware that it was a horrible situation.

Unbelievable tragedy. 

 

[bustaheims]

I'm curious -- how did the one passenger end up surviving?

Note: I read elsewhere that the second reported survivor had burns to 80% of his body and later died in hospital.  Don't know if that's been confirmed or not.

I'm just speculating, but it could be that where he was seated helped prevent him from being killed on impact and left him on the edge of, or even just outside, the fire. Or, even conscious enough to pull himself out of the fire before it was too late.

 

[cw]

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2011/09/07/khl-club-yaroslavl-lokomotiv-wiped-out-by-plane-crash/

Blog with updates on the names of the victims (that was posted in Russian). There have been a few names in question.

list of victims:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/479312

 

[seahawk]

Someone already raised the 1st comparison that came to me in the Marshall football team in the mid 70's. There are several other examples listed at the bottom of the wikipedia article for the crash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Lokomotiv_Yaroslavl_plane_crash

I can't see how the team is going to rebuild after this. It's going to take a long time to recover. Thoughts and prayers go to the families of those killed.