Schenn's Next deal

[Leafaholic99]

I have a feeling nothing's going to happen until Doughty's signed. Not really impressed with the negotiations right now...

That's actually the most popular theory out there right now. Not exactly sure why though, the two situations are completely different. If the agent can't multi-task then there's a problem.

is this the agent not being able to multi task, or being greedy and possibly getting his clients to play hard ball? He has Schenn, Doughty, Marchand and another good RFA still all un-signed, coincendence or not?

 

[Kin]

That's actually the most popular theory out there right now. Not exactly sure why though, the two situations are completely different. If the agent can't multi-task then there's a problem.

It's obviously not an issue of multi-tasking. It's looking for the market to be set and negotiations not being urgent because they're not urgent.

Seriously, until camp opens there's no difference if Schenn is signed or not. Why get all bug-eyed over it?

 

[bustaheims]

That's actually the most popular theory out there right now. Not exactly sure why though, the two situations are completely different. If the agent can't multi-task then there's a problem.

Considering the same agency is in the same position with 4 prominent RFAs, I'd say it's more of issue with agency policy than the agent not being able to multi-task. They haven't signed yet because their agents don't want them to have signed yet.

 

[Erndog]

That's actually the most popular theory out there right now. Not exactly sure why though, the two situations are completely different. If the agent can't multi-task then there's a problem.

Considering the same agency is in the same position with 4 prominent RFAs, I'd say it's more of issue with agency policy than the agent not being able to multi-task. They haven't signed yet because their agents don't want them to have signed yet.

Reminds me a little of Scott Boras over in MLB land.  Some GM's don't deal for Boras clients on the sole basis they are his clients.  Or, at the very least, they know they have no chance at re-signning them.

 

[SchenNeuf]

... TheNHLSources NHL Insider
NHL Rumor: Maple Leafs RFA Luke Schenn is close to a multi-year deal with the team believed to be worth $2.75-3.25M per

A steal at that price... hope at least the part of closing in to a multi-year deal is true...

I wouldn't call that a steal. I'd say that's fair market valute for a good, young, stay-at-home Dman with modest offensive upside.

 

[Corn Flake]

I have a feeling nothing's going to happen until Doughty's signed. Not really impressed with the negotiations right now...

Not impressed with who? Doughty/LA or Schenn/Leafs?

Did you hear what Doughty turned down?  Not really even in the same remote ballpark.

9 years at $6.5M wasn't it?

Something like that. 

I agree with others that there is no reason to get panicky when it comes to Schenn not being signed.  Neither he or Burke is taking any kind of stance that things are a long way off so no reason to get hot and bothered about it - not for a while yet. 

Here's my bet on this: they have a shorter term deal basically already agreed to, but are trying to get a long term deal together that works for both sides. 

Its relatively easy to put a value on Schenn for the next 1-2 seasons but 5-6 years down the line? Much tougher. 

 

[leafsjunkie]

... TheNHLSources NHL Insider
NHL Rumor: Maple Leafs RFA Luke Schenn is close to a multi-year deal with the team believed to be worth $2.75-3.25M per

A steal at that price... hope at least the part of closing in to a multi-year deal is true...

I wouldn't call that a steal. I'd say that's fair market valute for a good, young, stay-at-home Dman with modest offensive upside.

Yeah really, I wouldn't want Schenn to make more than 2 - 2.5 mil/yr MAX! He will probably never have much offence to his game and he doesn't have great foot speed either. Schenn always looks like he's skating slow and he looks somewhat awkward sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player and think he'll be a good defensive D-man for a long time. But I would not want him eating too much cap space for what he brings. In fact, if we could trade him (with something else of value i.e a top prospect and a pick) to get a proven young top 6 forward. I'd do it in a second. Like Ken Holland says, you don't pay stay at home d-man lots of money, it's just bad cap management. How's Komisarek worked out so far with that large salary.... Even if Komi redeems himself this year, which he may, he will never be worth what he's being paid.

 

[Kin]

Yeah really, I wouldn't want Schenn to make more than 2 - 2.5 mil/yr MAX! He will probably never have much offence to his game and he doesn't have great foot speed either. Schenn always looks like he's skating slow and he looks somewhat awkward sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player and think he'll be a good defensive D-man for a long time. But I would not want him eating too much cap space for what he brings. In fact, if we could trade him (with something else of value i.e a top prospect and a pick) to get a proven young top 6 forward. I'd do it in a second. Like Ken Holland says, you don't pay stay at home d-man lots of money, it's just bad cap management. How's Komisarek worked out so far with that large salary.... Even if Komi redeems himself this year, which he may, he will never be worth what he's being paid.

There's so much wrong here I think it broke my wrongometer.

 

[leafsjunkie]

Yeah really, I wouldn't want Schenn to make more than 2 - 2.5 mil/yr MAX! He will probably never have much offence to his game and he doesn't have great foot speed either. Schenn always looks like he's skating slow and he looks somewhat awkward sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player and think he'll be a good defensive D-man for a long time. But I would not want him eating too much cap space for what he brings. In fact, if we could trade him (with something else of value i.e a top prospect and a pick) to get a proven young top 6 forward. I'd do it in a second. Like Ken Holland says, you don't pay stay at home d-man lots of money, it's just bad cap management. How's Komisarek worked out so far with that large salary.... Even if Komi redeems himself this year, which he may, he will never be worth what he's being paid.

There's so much wrong here I think it broke my wrongometer.

I'm not really concerned with your wrongometer. It's been busted for a long time. You actually thought Burke was going to bring back Kaberle. You have your opinions/thoughts and I have mine.

I just don't want to see a second paring defensive d-man on his second contract, getting something stupid. Like 4 million a year. I don't think it's a wise decision.

 

[Bender]

I have a feeling nothing's going to happen until Doughty's signed. Not really impressed with the negotiations right now...

Not impressed with who? Doughty/LA or Schenn/Leafs?

Did you hear what Doughty turned down?  Not really even in the same remote ballpark.

Just not quite happy with the situation. Both sides have just been paying lip service that they're optimistic something will get done. If that's the case why isn't it done yet?

Would Schenn be participating in training camp even if he's unsigned? They have some time yet, but I'd hate to see him sit because both sides are playing hardball.

 

[bustaheims]

I just don't want to see a second paring defensive d-man on his second contract, getting something stupid. Like 4 million a year. I don't think it's a wise decision.

You just the want the player who lead all NHL defencemen in hits and was 12th in blocked shots to be paid in the same range as Hal Gill, Josh Gorges and Andy Sutton? I know who's wrongometer I'd be putting my faith in, and it ain't yours.

 

[leafsjunkie]

I just don't want to see a second paring defensive d-man on his second contract, getting something stupid. Like 4 million a year. I don't think it's a wise decision.

You just the want the player who lead all NHL defencemen in hits and was 12th in blocked shots to be paid in the same range as Hal Gill, Josh Gorges and Andy Sutton? I know who's wrongometer I'd be putting my faith in, and it ain't yours.

We're going on hits and blocked shots for a players worth now? Both stats are flawed. I base my thoughts on watching his all around play and I don't think paying Schenn north of say 3mil/yr on his second contract is a good decision.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Would Schenn be participating in training camp even if he's unsigned? They have some time yet, but I'd hate to see him sit because both sides are playing hardball.

He would sit and while nobody wants that, least of all the Leafs, I'd rather he sweat it out for a bit if the agent is being unrealistic. He's an RFA, not a pending UFA, as I said above, so their leverage is limited IMO. I think once the pressure of camp and the season is looming, the sides will get it doe. I agree with Corn Flake here, that they probably already have a short term deal worked out and its the long term deal that would hold things up and require more thought/ negotiations...

 

[nutman]

I just don't want to see a second paring defensive d-man on his second contract, getting something stupid. Like 4 million a year. I don't think it's a wise decision.

You just the want the player who lead all NHL defencemen in hits and was 12th in blocked shots to be paid in the same range as Hal Gill, Josh Gorges and Andy Sutton? I know who's wrongometer I'd be putting my faith in, and it ain't yours.

We're going on hits and blocked shots for a players worth now? Both stats are flawed. I base my thoughts on watching his all around play and I don't think paying Schenn north of say 3mil/yr on his second contract is a good decision.

I'll bet Burke feels the same.

 

[Kin]

It's been busted for a long time. You actually thought Burke was going to bring back Kaberle.

Ah yes, that thing I said exactly no times. I knew that would come back to haunt me.

I just don't want to see a second paring defensive d-man on his second contract, getting something stupid. Like 4 million a year. I don't think it's a wise decision.

Schenn  was the #2 defenseman on the team in terms of ice time. The #1 on the PK. And you think he should be paid somewhere in the neighbourhood of an ok third liner.

Everyone has opinions. And some of them are wrong.

 

[Kin]

Just not quite happy with the situation. Both sides have just been paying lip service that they're optimistic something will get done. If that's the case why isn't it done yet?

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There are any number of reasons why a deal might not be done yet, not the least of which is that there's no reason for it to be done yet.

Seriously. We know nothing about whatever negotiations may have gone on. There's absolutely no reason to have an opinion on Schenn's contract or lack thereof right now.

 

[bustaheims]

We're going on hits and blocked shots for a players worth now? Both stats are flawed. I base my thoughts on watching his all around play and I don't think paying Schenn north of say 3mil/yr on his second contract is a good decision.

As flawed as they may be, they're still evidence that Schenn deserves to get paid a fair amount more than the range you're putting him in. I mean, it's no accident that there was only 1 other defenceman in the league in the top 15 in both categories, and he earns more than the $3M cap you're now putting on Schenn, despite not providing more offence, being a fair amount older and not having anywhere close to the potential Schenn has. Seriously, you're talking about paying Schenn in the same range as Hal Gill. Think about that for a second.

 

[Number 5]

Stanley Cup winner Hal Gill?

 

[leafsjunkie]

We're going on hits and blocked shots for a players worth now? Both stats are flawed. I base my thoughts on watching his all around play and I don't think paying Schenn north of say 3mil/yr on his second contract is a good decision.

As flawed as they may be, they're still evidence that Schenn deserves to get paid a fair amount more than the range you're putting him in. I mean, it's no accident that there was only 1 other defenceman in the league in the top 15 in both categories, and he earns more than the $3M cap you're now putting on Schenn, despite not providing more offence, being a fair amount older and not having anywhere close to the potential Schenn has. Seriously, you're talking about paying Schenn in the same range as Hal Gill. Think about that for a second.

Oh I have thought about it. That's why I upped what I think is fair for Schenn on his second contract. Any more than 3mil/yr for what Schenn brings at this time I think would be over payment and not a good way to manage the cap. He's a 3/4 d-man I think on most teams, he is a slow skater and not very nimble. Hits aren't the be all and end all, same with blocked shots. I'm not trying to harp on Schenn, I do like him and again think he will be a good d-man for a long time and I'm glad he is a Leaf (well, their property for now). I just don't want to see him being grosly over paid right now in this second contract. 2.5 mil/yr is fair but 3mil isn't outrageous and I could live with that figure.

 

[maplesyrup]

3.75 - 4.25 mil. on a long term deal and I'd be delighted. 4.25-4.75 mil. and I'd still be comfortable if the term is there. North of that? I'm not so sure.