WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Hm? I don't think they've given a verdict on him yet either.
The Lupul Situation
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Hm? I don't think they've given a verdict on him yet either.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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CarltonTheBear said:
I know they did the medical for Hossa, I assume we'd have heard by now if there were any irregularities.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Yeah, it's been reported that Hossa had his medical over a week ago now. But I'm not sure the no-news on that means anything one way or another. The Blackhawks are still very much in the dark over whether or not they can LTIR him.
bustaheims
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DarrenDreger: Toronto will likely learn Lupul's status tomorrow as well. He was expected to be evaluated by an independent doctor today. twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie?
Kin
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Shannon is reporting both decisions have been made by the League. They'll inform the teams, the teams will inform us.
Personally, I'm guessing both cases result in the team's findings being backed up. I think it's like overturning refs calls where incontrovertible evidence needs to be found for the league to want to embarrass two of their more powerful clubs. So long as there's a case that Lupul and Hossa might not be fit to play that's how it'll go.
Personally, I'm guessing both cases result in the team's findings being backed up. I think it's like overturning refs calls where incontrovertible evidence needs to be found for the league to want to embarrass two of their more powerful clubs. So long as there's a case that Lupul and Hossa might not be fit to play that's how it'll go.
A part of me wonders if the league will want to make matching decisions here. If they said Hossa couldn't be LTIR'd but Lupul could I'd imagine there'd be quite the uproar.
One interesting note: According to Dreger Lupul was evaluated by an independent doctor yesterday. Hossa had his evaluation "several days" before September 23rd, according to a Hawks beat reporter.
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https://twitter.com/darenmillard/status/915248539978145792
Lupul failed 2nd physical according to Daly.
Lupul failed 2nd physical according to Daly.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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He?s already apologized, hopefully this draws a line under everything and nobody is giving him a hard time on social media over all of this.
herman said:
I thought LTIR only worked on what you were over by at the time that you file the LTIR. So if they have to file it at the start of the year, that's it, all they can cover is what they are over at that point in time. Can they file separate players at separate times? When does the bonus overage come out?
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Significantly Insignificant said:
Based on my limited understanding from reading CapFriendly and the CBA:
You can't be over the Cap at any time, so LTIR is usually triggered when a coming move will put you over, and best done when you're as close to the Cap as possible. Each LTIR eligible contract can only be triggered one time per season during the duration of the long term injury, but they can be stacked at different times (as injuries occur, basically). Usually you'd just do it all at once since you're as close to the Cap as possible for maximum benefit anyway.
Where I'm hazy is how the offseason LTIR interacts with the Opening Day roster. We need to be at 23 for the roster size, but do we need to be Cap compliant before LTIR is invoked (as I've understood it to be in the past, see Corrado situation with Vancouver)?
I could be wrong, but my understanding of the bonus overage is that it is just a lump that sits against the Cap hit at the end of the season, so technically, the team can accrue space throughout the season any time they are below the league Cap limit (paper transactions to the Marlies; deadline salary dumps) to bank towards chipping away at the overage amount at the end of the season. Obviously if our salary dips into that LTIR buffer, we're not accruing any Cap space during that time (i.e. you can be under the 75M with LTIR active, which the Leafs did much of last season).
Here's my advice if you're trying to understand how LTIR works: don't.
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herman said:
LTIR space cannot be used to cover bonus overages. LTIR disappears the moment the regular season ends. Bonus overages aren't applied until after the end of season awards are handed out. Space can be accrued through other means, however, the Leafs are already technically capped out, but are compliant because Horton is on LTIR. Unless they can pull their total cap hit - which includes all healthy and LTIR players - down below the ceiling before the end of the season, every penny of bonuses accrued this season will coutn against the cap next season.
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bustaheims said:
I understand with regards to the bonus overages achieved this season; I was answering the question assuming SI meant the overage from last season (2016-17) affects calculations this season's Cap (2017-18); does it mean 75M - 5.3M for the whole season? I don't think it does.
i.e. when does this year's hit of last year's overages get calculated? If you subtract the bonus hit (5.37M) and a couple of waiver-exempt players to cut, we're just under 75. But the salary cap is calculated daily based on active NHL roster + IR.