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Armchair GM 2019-2020

herman said:
The dude has good puck handling skills and just blistering speed, but his read on the game is sorely behind his physical capabilities, you know?

On breakaways, that lack of group-attack awareness is negligible. In a 3rd line checking role, against lower quality competition, he can stand out a bit and do some damage at times. With skilled, creative east-west lines, he's just a non-entity at best and, more often than not, a hindrance.
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Yeah, I'd agree completely with this. Kapenen is a huge luxury on a team that has the top 6 filled, but he's not really a sniper, or a playmaker, so he's kind of a third line player with devastating speed that can't really fit anywhere else. If other teams fancy him higher up in the lineup, you have to consider moving him for a good return.
 
So here's kind of a goofy trade idea but bear with me:

To the Devils:

Cody Ceci
Alex Kerfoot

To the Leafs:

PK Subban(4 million retained)
2nd round pick

To my mind while this trade isn't a huge win for either side, it gives both teams some utility. The Devils get a useful forward and get out of most of what looks like one of the worst contracts in the league. The Leafs get cap space to maybe fix the back-up goalie mess, what should be a high 2nd round pick and PK Subban on what works out to a 3 year/15 million dollar deal.

I'm sure some people look at Subban's numbers and think they don't want to go near it but there are some numbers there that aren't brutally awful and I'm about as comfortable with Subban at 3/15 as I am trying to sign Muzzin or Barrie. Who knows, bring Subban back to his hometown team and hope he can snap back from whatever the hell is going on there and the Leafs maybe have a steal.
 
Nik Bethune said:
So here's kind of a goofy trade idea but bear with me:

To the Devils:

Cody Ceci
Alex Kerfoot

To the Leafs:

PK Subban(4 million retained)
2nd round pick

To my mind while this trade isn't a huge win for either side, it gives both teams some utility. The Devils get a useful forward and get out of most of what looks like one of the worst contracts in the league. The Leafs get cap space to maybe fix the back-up goalie mess, what should be a high 2nd round pick and PK Subban on what works out to a 3 year/15 million dollar deal.

I'm sure some people look at Subban's numbers and think they don't want to go near it but there are some numbers there that aren't brutally awful and I'm about as comfortable with Subban at 3/15 as I am trying to sign Muzzin or Barrie. Who knows, bring Subban back to his hometown team and hope he can snap back from whatever the hell is going on there and the Leafs maybe have a steal.
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I think that's a little rich on the Devils side, a pick in the thirties seem a little high a price for Kerfoot and getting out of half of Subban's contract when they aren't in any sort of a cap crunch.
 
I'd want no part of subban, even if NYJ retained the entire salary. He's been traded off two teams now despite putting up good numbers because of his ego; I don't see why Toronto would want to take on that declining output headache, especially in this market.
 
Frycer14 said:
I'd want no part of subban, even if NYJ retained the entire salary. He's been traded off two teams now despite putting up good numbers because of his ego; I don't see why Toronto would want to take on that declining output headache, especially in this market.
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He was moved from Nashville in order for them to sign Josi. And last I checked, the fans in Montreal were pissed that he got traded so I don't get your "especially in this market comment. Having said that I don't see NJ retaining 4 mill and I certainly don't want to pay him 9 mill for the next 2 years and whatever is owed this season.
 
Deebo said:
I think that's a little rich on the Devils side, a pick in the thirties seem a little high a price for Kerfoot and getting out of half of Subban's contract when they aren't in any sort of a cap crunch.
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So upon looking into it the Devils don't have their 2nd rounder this year(Subban) or next(Gusev) so it might be a moot point but I would point out that the Devils have their 1st, will almost certainly have Arizona's 1st and will still probably be deadline sellers on guys like Simmonds and Vatanen. Combine that with having already had 2 of the last 3 1st overall picks and they're in a prime position to be undervaluing a 2nd round pick.

And it's important to remember that the Devils aren't the Leafs. Getting rid of most of a bad contract isn't just a cap issue for them. If they retain 4 million on Subban but can sign someone who's vaguely equivalent to what Subban is giving them for 3 million or so they have a just as good hockey team while saving 2 million dollars in real money.
 
Frycer14 said:
I'd want no part of subban, even if NYJ retained the entire salary. He's been traded off two teams now despite putting up good numbers because of his ego; I don't see why Toronto would want to take on that declining output headache, especially in this market.
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As GT pointed out he wasn't traded out of Nashville because of "his ego" and with regards to Montreal I wouldn't look at Bergevin's tenure with the club and say "Man, he always correctly judged who was helping his team win".

I think this environment would actually be good for him. Aside from having an established leadership guy like Tavares, absolutely nobody would be looking to Subban to be a star on the team with Matthews and the gang already in that position. He could just be a player on the team. 
 
https://twitter.com/account4hockey/status/1211789892868591617

Duh.

Name your good enough defensemen you think the Leafs could get 1-for-1 for each!
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/account4hockey/status/1211789892868591617

Duh.

Name your good enough defensemen you think the Leafs could get 1-for-1 for each!
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I'd trade Ceci for either if them.
 
https://twitter.com/mikeystephens81/status/1218262348143759363
Friedman reporter that Bracco would not be enough to land Georgiev. Dreger gets the sense that not even Kapanen 1-for-1 would meet New York?s current ask.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/mikeystephens81/status/1218262348143759363
Friedman reporter that Bracco would not be enough to land Georgiev. Dreger gets the sense that not even Kapanen 1-for-1 would meet New York?s current ask.
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Georgiev has half a year left until he's RFA correct? So the young roster player would net you basically a the rest of the year and then a shot at signing a good, young RFA goaltender. If it's just the rental part then Johnsson or Kapanen is too much. But if there's a realistic chance of signing him to like a 3-year deal at a good rate, then I'd say it's worth it.
 
I've proposed both Kapanen and Bracco one-for-one at times, knowing that the first one was probably too much and the second too little. As usual, goalies are tricky.
 
An added wrinkle is that he wouldn't be exempt from the expansion draft which means even assuming he re-signs with us we would have to expose either him or Andersson.
 
Hobbes said:
An added wrinkle is that he wouldn't be exempt from the expansion draft which means even assuming he re-signs with us we would have to expose either him or Andersson.
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We can't trade for anyone who cannot be protected, it is a law in BC.
 
Hobbes said:
An added wrinkle is that he wouldn't be exempt from the expansion draft which means even assuming he re-signs with us we would have to expose either him or Andersson.
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As things stand right now, Andersen would be a pending UFA heading I to the expansion draft, which makes for an easier decision.
 
I think its time to bite the bullet and make the trade for Georgiev, Freddo is seeing more rubber than a lady in Amsterdams red lite section and Hutch is not always clutch.
Tandam goaltending seems to be becoming more of the new normal and as Busta says perhaps Georgiev becomes the new man. 
If we have to lose a Johnsson or Kapi or even better Kerfoot/Barrie at this point so be it.
 
Highlander said:
I think its time to bite the bullet and make the trade for Georgiev, Freddo is seeing more rubber than a lady in Amsterdams red lite section and Hutch is not always clutch.
Tandam goaltending seems to be becoming more of the new normal and as Busta says perhaps Georgiev becomes the new man. 
If we have to lose a Johnsson or Kapi or even better Kerfoot/Barrie at this point so be it.
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I think you do Johnsson, maybe add in Hyman or Bracco and def try to unload CC. I would like
to get back Georgiev along with Lias Andersson or Brendan Lemieux. Don't know too many on the Rangers roster or what's on the farm. I think Andersson would benefit from the Leafs development team.

edited.. just saw that Andersson has a potential for 850K in bonuses so not sure we'd like to take that on unless the plan is to leave him in the minors. I guess scratch him from the list.
 
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/01/31/toronto-maple-leafs-rumours-january-31/

Let?s get this ball rolling
 
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