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Armchair GM 2019-2020

bustaheims said:
He's not adding much to the Leafs' offence, because of their talent level. Law of diminishing returns and such. For a team that doesn't have the level of firepower the Leafs have, he's much more likely to have a noticeably positive impact.
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I was kind of just joking there but as someone who's watched the whole team struggle to score over the last week I don't know if I'd look at him as being a big part of a potential solution there either.

That said, I'm not particularly against trading him. I just share the skepticism that there'll be much of a return.
 
bustaheims said:
He's not adding much to the Leafs' offence, because of their talent level. Law of diminishing returns and such. For a team that doesn't have the level of firepower the Leafs have, he's much more likely to have a noticeably positive impact.
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Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. Yeah Barrie only has 3 points in his last 9 games. That's called a slump.

Prior to that he had 25 points in his previous 30 games. Did the Leafs have less firepower in those games?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
He's not adding much to the Leafs' offence, because of their talent level. Law of diminishing returns and such. For a team that doesn't have the level of firepower the Leafs have, he's much more likely to have a noticeably positive impact.
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Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. Yeah Barrie only has 3 points in his last 9 games. That's called a slump.

Prior to that he had 25 points in his previous 30 games. Did the Leafs have less firepower in those games?
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He hasn't exactly piling up the primary points at any point in this season. He hasn't really been a significant contributor to the team's offence at any point. Rather, he's been more of a passenger. In fact, with his shot selection, given the players he's on the ice with and the way the Leafs play, an argument can be made he's actually been detrimental to the team's offence.
 
bustaheims said:
He hasn't exactly piling up the primary points at any point in this season. He hasn't really been a significant contributor to the team's offence at any point. Rather, he's been more of a passenger. In fact, with his shot selection, given the players he's on the ice with and the way the Leafs play, an argument can be made he's actually been detrimental to the team's offence.
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He was one of the top scoring defencemen in the league during that 30-game stretch. I'm not going to discredit all of that just because he wasn't getting a ton of 1st assists. He was basically our only defenceman producing offence. It's no coincidence that our offence has sputtered lately. 17th in the league in GF/GP during our last 9 games.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
He was one of the top scoring defencemen in the league during that 30-game stretch. I'm not going to discredit all of that just because he wasn't getting a ton of 1st assists. He was basically our only defenceman producing offence. It's no coincidence that our offence has sputtered lately. 17th in the league in GF/GP during our last 9 games.
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We're clearly not going to agree on which is the cause, and which the effect. Obviously, I see things the opposite way you do - Barrie's production has dropped because the team's overall offensive output has dropped, not the other way around.
 
bustaheims said:
We're clearly not going to agree on which is the cause, and which the effect. Obviously, I see things the opposite way you do - Barrie's production has dropped because the team's overall offensive output has dropped, not the other way around.
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I'm not trying to suggest that there's a direct cause and effect relationship between Barrie and the Leafs offence or that he's is the most important part of the Leafs offence. But no matter how good our forwards are you need contribution from your defence too. And in the Keefe-era Barrie has practically been the only defenceman contributing offensively. He's 4th among all defencemen in 5-on-5 scoring since Keefe was hired. I just think you're understating how replaceable he is. Especially with Rielly already injured.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
We're clearly not going to agree on which is the cause, and which the effect. Obviously, I see things the opposite way you do - Barrie's production has dropped because the team's overall offensive output has dropped, not the other way around.
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I'm not trying to suggest that there's a direct cause and effect relationship between Barrie and the Leafs offence or that he's is the most important part of the Leafs offence. But no matter how good our forwards are you need contribution from your defence too. And in the Keefe-era Barrie has practically been the only defenceman contributing offensively. He's 4th among all defencemen in 5-on-5 scoring since Keefe was hired. I just think you're understating how replaceable he is. Especially with Rielly already injured.
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I wouldn't be against trying to get a haul for him though... I'm tired of letting pending UFAs walk for nothing. You can't expect that kind of strategy to work if you need to keep replenishing the pipeline.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
This shouldn't really come as any surprise but I don't think NHL GMs always value players properly. Greene is a "dependable", "safe", "veteran", "shutdown" defenceman.
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https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1229877162968264705

Am I being punked?

edit: this kind of shows what I mean too though. Would St. Louis have given up a 2nd and a 4th for Barrie? Absolutely not. Would Washington have given up a 2nd and a 3rd for Barrie instead of Brenden Dillon? Nope. Do I think Barrie is a better defenceman than both of them? Yeah.

Not only do I think teams just generally value these types of defencemen more at the trade deadline, but adding them into your line-up and getting them caught up on all your system stuff with just 2 months left in the season is arguably easier/less disruptive to your team.
 
Yes, trade Barrie.  I agree with busta's assessment.  We shouldn't be re-signing him  so move him and get something in return.
 
Dubas should use this new found cap space to trade bad contracts that expire this year for picks.  They should trade for Cody Ceci.
 
Bill_Berg said:
Dubas should use this new found cap space to trade bad contracts that expire this year for picks.  They should trade for Cody Ceci.
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This is definitely a very interesting idea if the Leafs don't do anything else with Johnsson's LTIR space.
 
Bill_Berg said:
Dubas should use this new found cap space to trade bad contracts that expire this year for picks.  They should trade for Cody Ceci.
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Not following. Use cap space for picks? Talking about taking on bad contracts?  If so Leafs are in the playoffs as of now so I don't see them taking on crappy players with bad contracts.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
You're basically giving up on the season. Is that worth a 2nd round pick and an ok prospect?
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After the terrible first half against Pittsburgh, I?m even more inclined to say ?yes, it is worth it.?
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
You're basically giving up on the season. Is that worth a 2nd round pick and an ok prospect?
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After the terrible first half against Pittsburgh, I?m even more inclined to say ?yes, it is worth it.?
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I know it basically means capitulation on the season but this team is so clearly not there. They just can't hang with the Pittsburgh's and Washington's of the world let alone the Boston or Tampa's.
 
If you?re going to blow up the roster to give up on the season, get Taylor Hall for his draft lottery skills.
 
herman said:
If you?re going to blow up the roster to give up on the season, get Taylor Hall for his draft lottery skills.
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Missing the playoffs but stealing Lafreniere from Detroit and Ottawa would be pretty funny.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
If you?re going to blow up the roster to give up on the season, get Taylor Hall for his draft lottery skills.
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Missing the playoffs but stealing Lafreniere from Detroit and Ottawa would be pretty funny.
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A lottery win would be an amazing silver lining.
 
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/02/20/toronto-maple-leafs-rumours-february-20/

Rumour roundup. Why is Ristolainen on the list? Because GMs know that floating the Leafs into any media pitch will yield amplified attention.
 
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