Armchair GM 2019-2020
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Zee said:
It was a long time ago, and obviously management/coaching has changed, but I don't really think Thornton had fond memories of Boston. They also seem set at C with Bergeron-Krejci-Coyle, unless they move Coyle to the wing.
To answer your question though, who knows.
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bustaheims said:
Huh, I never considered that Barrie wouldn't bring back a first round pick, considering most of the teams interested would likely be pretty late picks, and Barrie does have a lot of points in the bank this year (which I agree, are likely inflated due to the scoring output of the forwards).
Also, he's a right hander, which seems most coveted, and there's a lot of injuries on D around the league. I'd have thought all of this would have played in the leafs' favour to get a decent return.
Ultimately, if it's true there isn't a market for Barrie above a 2nd round pick, I think that we could pretty much agree that Dubas lost on this trade, in a big way.
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Frycer14 said:
That's not really a fair comparison, though. Dubas traded for a full season of Barrie (plus Kerfoot). Any trade now would be for 1/4 of a season.
dekedastardly
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Send Matthews back to Arizona for Chychrun, Crouse and their 1st.
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bustaheims said:
I'm not sure if I see it that way (if I'm understanding you correctly). Dubas gave up a substantial asset in kadri for a #2 defenseman (and Kerfoot). If that main asset has diminished through the season to the point that we're saying he's worth no more than a 2nd rounder on an expiring contract in a coveted RD position, while Kadri is still on a good number through 21-22, I'd call that an unfortunate trade. No?
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dekedastardly said:
Wow, hard pass.
bustaheims
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Frycer14 said:
The amount of time you have a player absolutely impacts the value. A full season of a player is worth more than a 1/4 season. Barrie's value would have diminished over the course of the season, regardless of how he played. The return at the deadline would never have been the same value as 3 seasons of Kadri. The amount Barrie might fetch at the deadline this year has no bearing as to whether or not the initial trade for him was a good one. They're completely different circumstances, and the two moves do not actually relate to each other, even if the same player is involved in both.
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bustaheims said:
Yes, I follow, but ultimately, you have to consider the value of each at a given moment in time. I think that the value he has at the end of this season is completely relevant to the success of the trade, because that value represents in large part the contribution that he's made via his play.
If Dubas said, "hey, let's trade Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot, and we should be happy with a 2nd rounder for Barrie as a rental at the end of the season if plans change", I'd be very much not in favor of making that deal, which was supposed to be for a much more impactful dman.
Zee
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CarltonTheBear said:
I'm just looking at the playoff implications. Unless Thornton has a burning desire to play for the Leafs since he's from London, Ontario, he'd be better off going to Boston who's guaranteed a playoff spot at this point. Could be a "going home" moment for him as he started there, yes there was a bad split but time heals all wounds. Also, Thornton would be 4th line center on Boston so no implication to the top 3 center spots. He could also get PP time and chase his Cup.
bustaheims
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Frycer14 said:
If you want to judge a deal retroactively, go ahead. That's not how time or reality works. Barrie not working out as expected is what makes the deal in the summer not so great in hindsight. Barrie only maybe returning a 2nd round pick at the deadline? Not at all. The initial trade should only be judged on it's own merits, not the value the player might return in a later deal made under very different circumstances, trading a different asset (a full season of Barrie is not the same asset as a 1/4 season of Barrie).
Zee said:
Does Thornton want to win a Cup playing 4C in a city that's practically bored with championships, or does he want to play a slightly larger role in a city where he would instantly become a god if he won? Come home, Joe.
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Deebo said:
I think he must be joking.
Heroic Shrimp
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Joe, come rejoin the one or two of your beard hairs still deeply embedded in the ice in Toronto!CarltonTheBear said:
hockeyfan1
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Some practical trade potential acquisitions for the Leaf: these come with some flexibility contract-wise.
https://dailyhive.com/toronto/maple-leafs-trade-deadline-targets-2020
Kovalchuk as a ?rental??
Thornton? Ekholm?
https://dailyhive.com/toronto/maple-leafs-trade-deadline-targets-2020
Kovalchuk as a ?rental??
Thornton? Ekholm?
dekedastardly
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I wouldn't want any of those guys. Just trade whoever Anaheim wants for Josh Manson.
Friedman and McKenzie seem to be saying the same thing re. Barrie: the Leafs would consider trading him only if it's for another defenceman or for assets they could use to acquire another defenceman right away.
That seems like a tough thing to pull off at the deadline though.
That seems like a tough thing to pull off at the deadline though.
Two sample deals to mull over. Curious about people's thoughts. They're not my idea, but come from Twitter, but I'm removing the source for simplicity.
Severson for Engval, Korshkov and 2nd
Manson + pick for Kapanen Dermott likely a prospect
Hopefully less talk about the source...
Severson for Engval, Korshkov and 2nd
Manson + pick for Kapanen Dermott likely a prospect
Hopefully less talk about the source...