The Leafs clearly made a mistake in picking Simmonds over Perry that time. Signing Perry now won't make up for that though.
Armchair President/GM 2023-2024
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herman said:
I'll skip past the coach and GM speculation and turn to the Core 4 trade proposal. Admittedly, I lifted the idea from an online article, but the idea of a Carolina-Leafs deal centred around Marner makes a lot of sense in my mind. Marner for Seth Jarvis and Brett Pesce, anyone?
herman
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A Weekend at Bernier's said:
I definitely have time for Marner trade ideas, even though I'm pretty sure we lose the trade up front. If he goes a contender with less off-ice drama-llamas, he automatically does better there and the media here will fling poop at the Leafs for shipping off their hometown franchise player. If Marner stays here, they fling their poop at him directly, which he will ignore, but his buddies and dad will be sure to notify him of it all, and he is basically the worst version of himself.
Carolina sounds like a good fit: quiet media but strong fanbase, similar player types favoured, and Marner gives them star-pop that they only nominally have. I actually wonder if they'd be open to taking Matt Murray given they only have one semi-proven netminder on the books and their system makes average goalies look decent. They probably don't want Marner's cap hit ask driving up the rest of their team (Aho and Terevainen are due) but it's not everyday a near 100-pt Selke nom in his prime at a real-salary discount becomes available.
herman
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Aside from landing a GM, and signing Matthews, the priority is to get the most bang for the buck out of Tavares to bolster the offensive depth after Matthews' line. Yes it's a bit of chasing 'bad' money with more money, but Tavares is still a point-per-game player and his hands and hockey mind are not leaving anytime soon.
That means:
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[*]Get a legit 2C with speed
[*]Establish an OZ playstyle that leverages Tavares strength of turning ugly pucks into surprising goals
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The template ought to be Dallas' top line of Robertson - Hintz - Pavelski. They are a line that have trucky skaters on the wings, but Pavelski is a tip magician who is bucking the aging curve trend and Robertson is a sneaky quiet off-wing scoring threat. They both lean on their strengths and play within their limitations. Tavares has many similar elements to those two, but sometimes is a bit pigheaded about his puckhandling in open ice without speed. Roope Hintz's size and speed is the straw that stirs the drink and glues it all together. He's first on the puck a lot of the time and dishes to his linemates.
That means:
[list type=decimal]
[*]Get a legit 2C with speed
[*]Establish an OZ playstyle that leverages Tavares strength of turning ugly pucks into surprising goals
[/list]
The template ought to be Dallas' top line of Robertson - Hintz - Pavelski. They are a line that have trucky skaters on the wings, but Pavelski is a tip magician who is bucking the aging curve trend and Robertson is a sneaky quiet off-wing scoring threat. They both lean on their strengths and play within their limitations. Tavares has many similar elements to those two, but sometimes is a bit pigheaded about his puckhandling in open ice without speed. Roope Hintz's size and speed is the straw that stirs the drink and glues it all together. He's first on the puck a lot of the time and dishes to his linemates.
herman
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More Marner Trade ideas for funsies
To Anaheim: Mitch Marner, Mac Hollowell
To Toronto: 2023 1st rd pick (2nd OA), Mason McTavish, Troy Terry/Jamie Drysdale
Canadian Threeway:
To Winnipeg: Mitch Marner, Matt Murray, Christian Dvorak
To Montreal: Pierre Luc Dubois, William Villenueve
To Toronto: Nik Ehlers, Connor Hellebyuck, Owen Beck
To Anaheim: Mitch Marner, Mac Hollowell
To Toronto: 2023 1st rd pick (2nd OA), Mason McTavish, Troy Terry/Jamie Drysdale
Canadian Threeway:
To Winnipeg: Mitch Marner, Matt Murray, Christian Dvorak
To Montreal: Pierre Luc Dubois, William Villenueve
To Toronto: Nik Ehlers, Connor Hellebyuck, Owen Beck
Guilt Trip
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Anaheim trade...definitely.herman said:
herman said:
If Anaheim will move Fantilli for Marner I'm not sure they'll add any one of those 3 players, let alone 2 of them.
cabber24 said:
I thought we could see that when the Treliving rumours started.
On a 1-year, $1mil or less deal where he's playing 4th line minutes and not playing every single game unless his play warrants it.... he'd be fine. Or tolerable. I wouldn't hate it.
herman said:
Value wise it's certainly interesting. Big Clark for Sundin vibes. But I don't think either team shows much interest in it considering where they are at their respective building stages. Anaheim especially.
Marner took enough grief from his last contract that out of all of them, I could see him signing a team friendly (er) deal. He won't be easy to replace- the leafs record with him out of the lineup is worse that any of the top 4.
Nylander goes through very uninspired stretches, especially defensively.
I could see Nylander wanting to cash in hard on his last season results. I say he's the one the leafs should jettison for balance. Target a true 1st pairing defenseman.
Nylander goes through very uninspired stretches, especially defensively.
I could see Nylander wanting to cash in hard on his last season results. I say he's the one the leafs should jettison for balance. Target a true 1st pairing defenseman.
herman
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https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/roster-structure-maple-leafs-offseason-cap-space/
PPP goes over the roster makeover mechanics (lots of space! but lots of requirements) and while there is a way we could just skate by with the regular moves, I still think a Marner move for the right pieces (primarily a 2C+) is how to push this in the right direction for the interim and long term. Splitting that 11M into two higher end players improves the depth without too much of a dent in the star power. UFA crop is poop and overpriced. June/at or before the draft is the time to make the move.
PPP goes over the roster makeover mechanics (lots of space! but lots of requirements) and while there is a way we could just skate by with the regular moves, I still think a Marner move for the right pieces (primarily a 2C+) is how to push this in the right direction for the interim and long term. Splitting that 11M into two higher end players improves the depth without too much of a dent in the star power. UFA crop is poop and overpriced. June/at or before the draft is the time to make the move.
Jolly good show chaps
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Nylander for Hellebuyck anyone?
Bullfrog said:
It's interesting. Not really sure what Winnipeg's plans are right now though. With Hellebuyck, Scheifele, and Wheeler all 1 year away from UFA status you'd think they'd be better off selling all those guys for futures (taking advantage of a weak UFA market this offseason) to try and do a quick retool with younger players. In that case, a Nylander trade wouldn't really make sense for them. If they're still adverse to a retool/rebuild, and especially if Hellebuyck signals he isn't interested in an extension, then yeah a Nylander (plus probably Samsonov) deal could at least be intriguing.