Grabovski re-signs

[Rebel_1812]

If the deal is less then a 5 mill cap hit, that is a bargain.  Grabs would have been given much more on the open market.  Kudos to Grabs for staying loyal and kudos to Burke for keeping him, one of my favs.

I'm not so sure of that.  Connolly was not able to get more then 5 million a year.  If Grabbo cannot get a ppg, then I see this as an overpriced contract. 

 

[ontariojames]

If the deal is less then a 5 mill cap hit, that is a bargain.  Grabs would have been given much more on the open market.  Kudos to Grabs for staying loyal and kudos to Burke for keeping him, one of my favs.

I'm not so sure of that.  Connolly was not able to get more then 5 million a year.  If Grabbo cannot get a ppg, then I see this as an overpriced contract.

Huh? You think ppg players are only worth 5.5 mil?

Connolly was coming off of a season where he was on pace for just over 50 points, he is a big injury risk, and although he is regarded as a good penalty killer I highly doubt he is as good defensively at even strength as Grabbo.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

If the deal is less then a 5 mill cap hit, that is a bargain.  Grabs would have been given much more on the open market.  Kudos to Grabs for staying loyal and kudos to Burke for keeping him, one of my favs.

I'm not so sure of that.  Connolly was not able to get more then 5 million a year.  If Grabbo cannot get a ppg, then I see this as an overpriced contract.

Huh? You think ppg players are only worth 5.5 mil?

Connolly was coming off of a season where he was on pace for just over 50 points, he is a big injury risk, and although he is regarded as a good penalty killer I highly doubt he is as good defensively at even strength as Grabbo.

Always thought that Connolly got so much money because his contract is so short. Leafs overpaid on per year basis to lock him up for only 2 years.

 

[Redleaf]

If the deal is less then a 5 mill cap hit, that is a bargain.  Grabs would have been given much more on the open market.  Kudos to Grabs for staying loyal and kudos to Burke for keeping him, one of my favs.

I'm not so sure of that.  Connolly was not able to get more then 5 million a year.  If Grabbo cannot get a ppg, then I see this as an overpriced contract.

Huh? You think ppg players are only worth 5.5 mil?

Connolly was coming off of a season where he was on pace for just over 50 points, he is a big injury risk, and although he is regarded as a good penalty killer I highly doubt he is as good defensively at even strength as Grabbo.

Always thought that Connolly got so much money because his contract is so short. Leafs overpaid on per year basis to lock him up for only 2 years.

Connolly is really nothing more than a high priced placeholder on this team.

 

[Bullfrog]

If the deal is less then a 5 mill cap hit, that is a bargain.  Grabs would have been given much more on the open market.  Kudos to Grabs for staying loyal and kudos to Burke for keeping him, one of my favs.

I'm not so sure of that.  Connolly was not able to get more then 5 million a year.  If Grabbo cannot get a ppg, then I see this as an overpriced contract.

There were fewer than around 10 players with a ppg last year. A top ten player in points is getting much more than $5.5M a year, especially one who is known as one of the better defensive players on the team and widely regarded as the hardest working.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

If the deal is less then a 5 mill cap hit, that is a bargain.  Grabs would have been given much more on the open market.  Kudos to Grabs for staying loyal and kudos to Burke for keeping him, one of my favs.

I'm not so sure of that.  Connolly was not able to get more then 5 million a year.  If Grabbo cannot get a ppg, then I see this as an overpriced contract.

Huh? You think ppg players are only worth 5.5 mil?

Connolly was coming off of a season where he was on pace for just over 50 points, he is a big injury risk, and although he is regarded as a good penalty killer I highly doubt he is as good defensively at even strength as Grabbo.

Always thought that Connolly got so much money because his contract is so short. Leafs overpaid on per year basis to lock him up for only 2 years.

Connolly is really nothing more than a high priced placeholder on this team.

Placeholder for what exactly? A candle? At this rate Bozak is gonna be our number one center forever.

 

[Zee]

If the deal is less then a 5 mill cap hit, that is a bargain.  Grabs would have been given much more on the open market.  Kudos to Grabs for staying loyal and kudos to Burke for keeping him, one of my favs.

I'm not so sure of that.  Connolly was not able to get more then 5 million a year.  If Grabbo cannot get a ppg, then I see this as an overpriced contract.

Huh? You think ppg players are only worth 5.5 mil?

Connolly was coming off of a season where he was on pace for just over 50 points, he is a big injury risk, and although he is regarded as a good penalty killer I highly doubt he is as good defensively at even strength as Grabbo.

Always thought that Connolly got so much money because his contract is so short. Leafs overpaid on per year basis to lock him up for only 2 years.

Connolly is really nothing more than a high priced placeholder on this team.

Placeholder for what exactly? A candle? At this rate Bozak is gonna be our number one center forever.

This summer looks pretty bleak but 2013 has some prominent names as free agents...

 

[pnjunction]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

Case in point we just took Grabbo off the table, probably the best center that was left this year.  Now they are talking about a bidding war for Jokkinen...depressing and the same thing will happen next year and the year after that.

 

[Zee]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

I know, just don't crush my dream so quickly, let me live in the clouds a bit.

Unless Carlyle can take this group of players (with the inevitable tinkering in the offseason through trades/promotions from Marlies) and make them a winner, the future is looking bleak.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

I know, just don't crush my dream so quickly, let me live in the clouds a bit.

Unless Carlyle can take this group of players (with the inevitable tinkering in the offseason through trades/promotions from Marlies) and make them a winner, the future is looking bleak.

Tank and draft Grigorenko.

 

[Zee]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

I know, just don't crush my dream so quickly, let me live in the clouds a bit.

Unless Carlyle can take this group of players (with the inevitable tinkering in the offseason through trades/promotions from Marlies) and make them a winner, the future is looking bleak.

Tank and draft Grigorenko.

That's a tall order looking at Edmonton and Montreal's point totals right now.  With Carlyle in I can see the Leafs starting to win games down the stretch (maybe have a good final 10 of the year).  We're not going to finish 2nd last overall.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

I know, just don't crush my dream so quickly, let me live in the clouds a bit.

Unless Carlyle can take this group of players (with the inevitable tinkering in the offseason through trades/promotions from Marlies) and make them a winner, the future is looking bleak.

Tank and draft Grigorenko.

That's a tall order looking at Edmonton and Montreal's point totals right now.  With Carlyle in I can see the Leafs starting to win games down the stretch (maybe have a good final 10 of the year).  We're not going to finish 2nd last overall.

I know but if you acquire a Top 5 pick ( Leafs currently hold 7th overall, will hold 6th with today's loss and NYI winning) then maybe you can trade a guy like Schenn (or Gunnarson) and that pick for 2nd overall.

 

[Zee]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

I know, just don't crush my dream so quickly, let me live in the clouds a bit.

Unless Carlyle can take this group of players (with the inevitable tinkering in the offseason through trades/promotions from Marlies) and make them a winner, the future is looking bleak.

Tank and draft Grigorenko.

That's a tall order looking at Edmonton and Montreal's point totals right now.  With Carlyle in I can see the Leafs starting to win games down the stretch (maybe have a good final 10 of the year).  We're not going to finish 2nd last overall.

I know but if you acquire a Top 5 pick ( Leafs currently hold 7th overall, will hold 6th with today's loss and NYI winning) then maybe you can trade a guy like Schenn (or Gunnarson) and that pick for 2nd overall.

I suppose so.  Man this is the summer I'm least looking forward to as a Leafs fan.  What a letdown this season has been after such a good start.

Is either of the top 2 guys considered elite, franchise type players?

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

I know, just don't crush my dream so quickly, let me live in the clouds a bit.

Unless Carlyle can take this group of players (with the inevitable tinkering in the offseason through trades/promotions from Marlies) and make them a winner, the future is looking bleak.

Tank and draft Grigorenko.

That's a tall order looking at Edmonton and Montreal's point totals right now.  With Carlyle in I can see the Leafs starting to win games down the stretch (maybe have a good final 10 of the year).  We're not going to finish 2nd last overall.

I know but if you acquire a Top 5 pick ( Leafs currently hold 7th overall, will hold 6th with today's loss and NYI winning) then maybe you can trade a guy like Schenn (or Gunnarson) and that pick for 2nd overall.

I suppose so.  Man this is the summer I'm least looking forward to as a Leafs fan.  What a letdown this season has been after such a good start.

Is either of the top 2 guys considered elite, franchise type players?

As per Bob Mackenzie:

If Yakupov and Grigorenko were to go one-two on draft day, it would reprise the 2004 NHL draft when Washington took Alexander Ovechkin first overall and the Pittsburgh Penguins made Malkin the second selection.

The similarities between 2012 and 2004 are striking.

Yakupov, like Ovechkin, is a dynamic, game-breaking goal-scoring winger who isn't afraid to get physical or get his nose dirty going to the hard areas to put the puck in the net.

Grigorenko is a big, offensively-gifted playmaking and goal-scoring centre who shares many of the same traits as Malkin.

 

[Corn Flake]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

I know, just don't crush my dream so quickly, let me live in the clouds a bit.

Unless Carlyle can take this group of players (with the inevitable tinkering in the offseason through trades/promotions from Marlies) and make them a winner, the future is looking bleak.

Tank and draft Grigorenko.

That's a tall order looking at Edmonton and Montreal's point totals right now.  With Carlyle in I can see the Leafs starting to win games down the stretch (maybe have a good final 10 of the year).  We're not going to finish 2nd last overall.

I know but if you acquire a Top 5 pick ( Leafs currently hold 7th overall, will hold 6th with today's loss and NYI winning) then maybe you can trade a guy like Schenn (or Gunnarson) and that pick for 2nd overall.

I suppose so.  Man this is the summer I'm least looking forward to as a Leafs fan.  What a letdown this season has been after such a good start.

Is either of the top 2 guys considered elite, franchise type players?

As per Bob Mackenzie:

If Yakupov and Grigorenko were to go one-two on draft day, it would reprise the 2004 NHL draft when Washington took Alexander Ovechkin first overall and the Pittsburgh Penguins made Malkin the second selection.

The similarities between 2012 and 2004 are striking.

Yakupov, like Ovechkin, is a dynamic, game-breaking goal-scoring winger who isn't afraid to get physical or get his nose dirty going to the hard areas to put the puck in the net.

Grigorenko is a big, offensively-gifted playmaking and goal-scoring centre who shares many of the same traits as Malkin.

Of the 3 teams most likely to drop to #1-2 in the draft, only Edmonton would be willing to give up the chance to pick a franchise player for a d-man and a lower pick.  Not a chance you pull that pick away from Montreal or Columbus.  Not a chance. 

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Sure 2-3 years away always looks good..then over the next 1-2 almost everybody worth getting renews where they are and there is frenzy to overpay for the ones that are left. UFA market is dead you are kidding yourself looking at that list.

I know, just don't crush my dream so quickly, let me live in the clouds a bit.

Unless Carlyle can take this group of players (with the inevitable tinkering in the offseason through trades/promotions from Marlies) and make them a winner, the future is looking bleak.

Tank and draft Grigorenko.

That's a tall order looking at Edmonton and Montreal's point totals right now.  With Carlyle in I can see the Leafs starting to win games down the stretch (maybe have a good final 10 of the year).  We're not going to finish 2nd last overall.

I know but if you acquire a Top 5 pick ( Leafs currently hold 7th overall, will hold 6th with today's loss and NYI winning) then maybe you can trade a guy like Schenn (or Gunnarson) and that pick for 2nd overall.

I suppose so.  Man this is the summer I'm least looking forward to as a Leafs fan.  What a letdown this season has been after such a good start.

Is either of the top 2 guys considered elite, franchise type players?

As per Bob Mackenzie:

If Yakupov and Grigorenko were to go one-two on draft day, it would reprise the 2004 NHL draft when Washington took Alexander Ovechkin first overall and the Pittsburgh Penguins made Malkin the second selection.

The similarities between 2012 and 2004 are striking.

Yakupov, like Ovechkin, is a dynamic, game-breaking goal-scoring winger who isn't afraid to get physical or get his nose dirty going to the hard areas to put the puck in the net.

Grigorenko is a big, offensively-gifted playmaking and goal-scoring centre who shares many of the same traits as Malkin.

Of the 3 teams most likely to drop to #1-2 in the draft, only Edmonton would be willing to give up the chance to pick a franchise player for a d-man and a lower pick.  Not a chance you pull that pick away from Montreal or Columbus.  Not a chance.

You sir are right.

 

[Redleaf]

Wow. I'm getting an hypnotic case of deja vu.

 

[bustaheims]

Of the 3 teams most likely to drop to #1-2 in the draft, only Edmonton would be willing to give up the chance to pick a franchise player for a d-man and a lower pick.  Not a chance you pull that pick away from Montreal or Columbus.  Not a chance.

Though, really, why would Edmonton do that when so many of the top prospects in this year's draft are high ceiling defencemen?

 

[Andy007]

Of the 3 teams most likely to drop to #1-2 in the draft, only Edmonton would be willing to give up the chance to pick a franchise player for a d-man and a lower pick.  Not a chance you pull that pick away from Montreal or Columbus.  Not a chance.

Though, really, why would Edmonton do that when so many of the top prospects in this year's draft are high ceiling defencemen?

Because they would be able to draft one with a top-5 Toronto pick. In Corn Flake's scenario, Edmonton would get a current roster player as well, as opposed to simply taking one of those d-men at #2 overall.

I imagine, though, there would be alot of interest from the teams below Toronto anyway, and Edmonton could draft before 5 or 6 (or wherever toronto ends up)

 

[bustaheims]

Because they would be able to draft one with a top-5 Toronto pick. In Corn Flake's scenario, Edmonton would get a current roster player as well, as opposed to simply taking one of those d-men at #2 overall.

I imagine, though, there would be alot of interest from the teams below Toronto anyway, and Edmonton could draft before 5 or 6 (or wherever toronto ends up)

With the way Edmonton has been developing their roster, I doubt they'd be all that interested in the roster players the Leafs would actually be willing to offer up to move up in the draft.