WalterSobchak
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Fair enough Screwball. I am not sure we can worry about the cap hit and such when we don't know what the new CBA will include. My best guess they will have a franchise player like the NFL in the next deal.Screwball said:
Grabovski re-signs
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bustaheims
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mirtle: Carlyle says he didn't know Grabovski that well before coming to Toronto but that "he was the best player on the ice" on Saturday.
Screwball said:
Right, I buy that, if Kulemin had 10 more goals this year the demand would probably change a fair bit.
I also agree that there's a window for the Leafs to get a deal on him with some term too, though I'm biased as he's my favourite Leaf ( the MikNik's I call 'em, Grabovski is my second fav ) and would like to see him locked up no matter.
Capn_Crunch
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I've been saying that 5.5 is the most i would give him all along and lets be honest, in the UFA market this summer which is about as full as an abandoned pool in the desert who else would we have signed to replace him?
Can we guarantee we wouldn't have paid as much for someone who plays with less heart and desire as grabbo? Highly doubtful.
How many times over the past couple of seasons have we said " wow we never would have thought that player X would get such a huge contract " ? Way to many times to count almost. Grabbo most certainly would have joined that group.
Giving him 500k extra a year over what some "experts" say his market value is doesn't seem like a huge stretch for me. If we didn't overpay someone else to replace him we would have had to expend assets in a trade to fill the hole and thats simply not the route we should be going at all.
We'll probably see Connolly and one of Armstrong and Lombo traded away this summer and that will help our cap situation.
Honestly I think we'll see a huge turn around in Komi's game under an actual defensive system that people will want him to stay. If he plays every game from now on like he did saturday...i know i would want him to stay. Him, Dion and Luke are going to punish people in our zone under RC. Book it.
As a side note, consider the "extra 500k" a little bonus for loving/living to stick it to the habs. Read the HF boards GDT from Sat, habs fans simply hate how he lights them up almost without fail. That's worth it's weight in gold jerry, GOLD!
Can we guarantee we wouldn't have paid as much for someone who plays with less heart and desire as grabbo? Highly doubtful.
How many times over the past couple of seasons have we said " wow we never would have thought that player X would get such a huge contract " ? Way to many times to count almost. Grabbo most certainly would have joined that group.
Giving him 500k extra a year over what some "experts" say his market value is doesn't seem like a huge stretch for me. If we didn't overpay someone else to replace him we would have had to expend assets in a trade to fill the hole and thats simply not the route we should be going at all.
We'll probably see Connolly and one of Armstrong and Lombo traded away this summer and that will help our cap situation.
Honestly I think we'll see a huge turn around in Komi's game under an actual defensive system that people will want him to stay. If he plays every game from now on like he did saturday...i know i would want him to stay. Him, Dion and Luke are going to punish people in our zone under RC. Book it.
As a side note, consider the "extra 500k" a little bonus for loving/living to stick it to the habs. Read the HF boards GDT from Sat, habs fans simply hate how he lights them up almost without fail. That's worth it's weight in gold jerry, GOLD!
CannedMango
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I really feel that this is an overpayment, but then I look at Buffalo and the 6-year, $27 million contract they gave to Ville Leino and somehow it makes me feel a lot better.
In my opinion, Grabovski is also the type of personality who will continue to give it his all and live up to the contract, where some players have their play drop after getting the big contract. I guess we'll find out starting tonight.
In my opinion, Grabovski is also the type of personality who will continue to give it his all and live up to the contract, where some players have their play drop after getting the big contract. I guess we'll find out starting tonight.
scott evil
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Screwball said:
agreed
CannedMango said:
I can't remember who said it but there was an article a while back showing how ufa scoring forwards tend to have a down year if/when they change teams. I have a fair amount of hope that Grabovski will live up to the contract, though wear and tear will almost certainly have some kind of say by the end.
Probably an overpayment of $1m but I can't deny that Grabbo has become an integral part of this team. To be honest I think Kulemin has affected his stats to some extent (although Grabbo has been kinda streaky). I think he can be a poor man's Pavel Datsyuk with a little more defensive work, which is great since we now have a defensive coach.
Anyway, Grabbo was never what's wrong with the team, very glad they signed him and didn't trade him. We have other tradable commodities.
Anyway, Grabbo was never what's wrong with the team, very glad they signed him and didn't trade him. We have other tradable commodities.
BMan said:
And easily the teams best all around player last season.
ZBBM
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Isn't there talk of having one cap-exempt contract per team in the next CBA?
Whatever the case may be, and whatever BB's shortcomings may be, I have no doubt that he and his capologists have not only looked at the cap implications of this contract from every possible angle, but that they also have full knowledge of the owners' negotiating strategy and which portions of it are very likely to succeed. In other words, a fully informed wager.
Whatever the case may be, and whatever BB's shortcomings may be, I have no doubt that he and his capologists have not only looked at the cap implications of this contract from every possible angle, but that they also have full knowledge of the owners' negotiating strategy and which portions of it are very likely to succeed. In other words, a fully informed wager.
Corn Flake
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bustaheims said:
He looked like he had about 2 gears more than anyone else on the ice.
Big Grabbo fan here... i'm pretty excited that he's locked in for 5 more years!! He's the most exciting player to watch on the Leafs. He's like a German Doug Gilmour. Small and tenacious. Lots of heart! We need more players like this on our team.
Sure, it is a bit of an overpayment, but in 2 years it may look like a huge bargain. Some signings are actually worth it.
Sure, it is a bit of an overpayment, but in 2 years it may look like a huge bargain. Some signings are actually worth it.
bustaheims
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
That's more fan speculation than anything from any connected sources.
Zee said:
Players don't get paid for what they did in the previous year, they get paid for what the team expects of them in the future. We see this all the time.
With that said, I doubt Kulemin gets a significant raise on his deal. Odds are it will be very similar to Bozak's situation last summer and he'll get a one or two year extension at his current rate or just a tad higher.
pnjunction
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I would've liked less than 5M per, we all would've, but 5.5 isn't bad one of the better 2nd line centres in the league IMO. Would it have been nice to get a 'home town'/contender discount and get him for 4.5? Sure but the reality is that we're not a contender yet.
The real cap problem we have is the dead weight that makes millions and doesn't contribute ie. the 11M 3rd line we were icing for a while and Komi (at least playing the way he was, he already look rejuvenated in RC's first game maybe it will last?). That will be Burke's challenge this summer, to convert some of those bad contract into cap space or more useful assets (maybe a big checking line forward or two?).
The real cap problem we have is the dead weight that makes millions and doesn't contribute ie. the 11M 3rd line we were icing for a while and Komi (at least playing the way he was, he already look rejuvenated in RC's first game maybe it will last?). That will be Burke's challenge this summer, to convert some of those bad contract into cap space or more useful assets (maybe a big checking line forward or two?).
bustaheims
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Well, I certainly haven't seen it from anyone with a solid reputation, but I have seen it mentioned by a number of fans on various forums.
Etiam Vultus
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pnjunction said:
On the lighter side, I am glad that Carlyle found a way to resolve the problem of an overpaid and unproductive third line - he put them on the fourth line.
crazyperfectdevil
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if you're not looking for the leafs to tank next year...i don't know what choice was really to be had here...if you don't sign him you're going to have to do a hell of a lot to replace him ..i love the way this guy plays and i really don't think he's a dime a dozen