Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs

[Britishbulldog]

OEL for Kessel ( basically ) sign me up! Just that Arizona would never do that, I mean, they're rebuilding, right?

I actually think that Hanifin is going to be better the OEL.  I can't believe that Button has Leafs picking Marner over Hanifin!    With no offense to Marner.

I would be excited with the Leafs getting either Strome or Hanifin. 

In fact if Hanifin would selected by the Leafs then I would argue both Phaneuf and Gardiner would be expendable for assets.  I would try to move Phaneuf to a team with good centers like Florida with Barkov, Bjugstad, Huberdeau and now Trochek on their roster. I would try to trade Phaneuf for Bjugstad or any of those top 3.  Florida pairings of Phaneuf/Ekblad, Campbell/Gudbranson would be quite decent for many years.

Move Kessel to a rugged team for draft picks.

 

[bustaheims]

When have the Leafs ever traded down?

1998 . . .

 

[Kin]

When have the Leafs ever traded down?

1998 . . .

See? And they ended up drafting not just a man but a force of nature.

 

[Peter D.]

I was wondering if acquiring the #1 pick from Edmonton be impossible? Would Gardiner, Reilly, and the 4th pick do it? And the Nashville pick?

Edmonton wouldn't even trade the pick for Crosby.

 

[sneakyray]

I was wondering if acquiring the #1 pick from Edmonton be impossible? Would Gardiner, Reilly, and the 4th pick do it? And the Nashville pick?

Edmonton wouldn't even trade the pick for Crosby.

but what if montreal calls and offers price+subban

or what if LA calls and offers quick+doughty

or what if nashville calls and floats rinne+weber

it could be had...but those are the only 3 deals that I can think of (that would garmer serious consideration) if money isn't an issue

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I was wondering if acquiring the #1 pick from Edmonton be impossible? Would Gardiner, Reilly, and the 4th pick do it? And the Nashville pick?

Edmonton wouldn't even trade the pick for Crosby.

but what if montreal calls and offers price+subban

or what if LA calls and offers quick+doughty

or what if nashville calls and floats rinne+weber

it could be had...but those are the only 3 deals that I can think of (that would garmer serious consideration) if money isn't an issue

No, it couldn't.

They have the next one locked up for the next three years for peanuts. He will then likely sign a nice RFA contract.

They can add multiple parts to support him with that in mind. They add two superstars now, they cripple the rest of their roster ala Pittsburgh.

Besides that they've already categorically said there is no conceivable offer they'd entertain.

I seriously don't understand people's need to wax lyrical about pointless trade proposals that will never happen.

The only shot is he decides he doesn't want to play there and the chances of that are about the same as Kim Kardashian swinging by my place tonight to get RayJay'd.

 

[Kin]

The only shot is he decides he doesn't want to play there and the chances of that are about the same as Kim Kardashian swinging by my place tonight to get RayJay'd.

There you are, giving people false hope again.

 

[Kin]

it could be had...but those are the only 3 deals that I can think of (that would garmer serious consideration) if money isn't an issue

Money is always an issue. All of the deals you've suggested, most of which are impossible because of NTC's and NMC's, all ignore that in all of the cases you're talking about the Oilers adding at least 10 million in salary that they wouldn't with McDavid. Forget a team's internal budget, that 10 million dollars represents real tangible assets that the Oilers could use to improve.

So it's not McDavid vs. Price or Subban or McDavid vs. Quick and Doughty, it would be McDavid and the players ten million can get you vs. those players and any smart team would choose McDavid in that situation.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

it could be had...but those are the only 3 deals that I can think of (that would garmer serious consideration) if money isn't an issue

Money is always an issue. All of the deals you've suggested, most of which are impossible because of NTC's and NMC's, all ignore that in all of the cases you're talking about the Oilers adding at least 10 million in salary that they wouldn't with McDavid. Forget a team's internal budget, that 10 million dollars represents real tangible assets that the Oilers could use to improve.

So it's not McDavid vs. Price or Subban or McDavid vs. Quick and Doughty, it would be McDavid and the players ten million can get you vs. those players and any smart team would choose McDavid in that situation.

As always, you articulate what I was trying to say much better than I could, thanks!

 

[Britishbulldog]

The only shot is he decides he doesn't want to play there

There you are, giving people false hope again.

What are the chances to go for Pittsburgh's pick with Phaneuf?  Especially with Boston (aka Chiarelli) being rumoured to be interested in Phanuef. 

Adding veteran RH shot Lupul for Edm 2nd line and maybe Reimer might pry loose either Draisaitl or Yakupov to play LW on the Leafs 2nd line.

(I got the idea from the 'Draft' thread)

Looking at the teams in the 1st round of the playoffs that couldn't score MUST create a market for Kessel.

 

[Kin]

What are the chances to go for Pittsburgh's pick with Phaneuf?  Especially with Boston (aka Chiarelli) being rumoured to be interested in Phanuef. 

Adding veteran RH shot Lupul for Edm 2nd line and maybe Reimer might pry loose either Draisaitl or Yakupov to play LW on the Leafs 2nd line.

(I got the idea from the 'Draft' thread)

Looking at the teams in the 1st round of the playoffs that couldn't score MUST create a market for Kessel.

Leaving aside that the multi-piece trades you like to imagine never really happen, I don't think there's much of a chance that Edmonton would add that much salary or value Lupul that highly.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I heard someone suggest Kessel to NJ for the 6th overall pick. I think that would make a lot of sense actually. You know Lou is going to want to get back into the playoffs badly. The Devils can't score, they finished 28th in goals this year and 25th the year before that. They haven't even come close to being able to replace the offence that Kovalchuk brought them.

The Devils also have a bit of a history with this stuff. They obviously made a splash by trading for Kovalchuk all those years ago, and 2 years ago they traded the 9th overall pick for Cory Schneider, which has worked out pretty well for them.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

The only shot is he decides he doesn't want to play there

There you are, giving people false hope again.

What are the chances to go for Pittsburgh's pick with Phaneuf?  Especially with Boston (aka Chiarelli) being rumoured to be interested in Phanuef. 

Adding veteran RH shot Lupul for Edm 2nd line and maybe Reimer might pry loose either Draisaitl or Yakupov to play LW on the Leafs 2nd line.

(I got the idea from the 'Draft' thread)

Looking at the teams in the 1st round of the playoffs that couldn't score MUST create a market for Kessel.

I love the idea of the trade, but by shipping Phaneuf, Lupul and maybe Reimer, Edmonton adds between $13.5 million and $15.5 million (Reimer) in payroll.  In return they give up a guy that is making next to nothing (Draisaitl), or a guy up for RFA who will probably get a bridge deal.  Toronto would have to take back a whole lot of crap to make that work.

 

[Coco-puffs]

The only shot is he decides he doesn't want to play there

There you are, giving people false hope again.

What are the chances to go for Pittsburgh's pick with Phaneuf?  Especially with Boston (aka Chiarelli) being rumoured to be interested in Phanuef. 

Adding veteran RH shot Lupul for Edm 2nd line and maybe Reimer might pry loose either Draisaitl or Yakupov to play LW on the Leafs 2nd line.

(I got the idea from the 'Draft' thread)

Looking at the teams in the 1st round of the playoffs that couldn't score MUST create a market for Kessel.

I love the idea of the trade, but by shipping Phaneuf, Lupul and maybe Reimer, Edmonton adds between $13.5 million and $15.5 million (Reimer) in payroll.  In return they give up a guy that is making next to nothing (Draisaitl), or a guy up for RFA who will probably get a bridge deal.  Toronto would have to take back a whole lot of crap to make that work.

Pile it on.......... (the crap).  Seriously.

Other than Eberle, Hall, and RNH who we wouldn't be getting, the only players signed past '15/16 are:

Benoit Pouliot (4m cap hit until '18/19)
Matt Hendricks (1.85m cap hit until '16/17)
Mark Fayne (3.625m cap hit until '17/18)
Andrew Ference (3.25m until '16/17)

I'm pretty sure Ference is going anywhere... I'll gladly take on the other three as salary dumps as they won't hurt our cap picture by the time we contend again (except for maybe Pouliot- who, they may want to keep anyways as he almost had a 20 goal season last year)

The other salary dump contenders with just a year remaining:

Teddy Purcell
Boyd Gordon
Nikita Nikitin
Ben Scrivens

 

[Britishbulldog]

I heard someone suggest Kessel to NJ for the 6th overall pick. I think that would make a lot of sense actually. You know Lou is going to want to get back into the playoffs badly. The Devils can't score, they finished 28th in goals this year and 25th the year before that. They haven't even come close to being able to replace the offence that Kovalchuk brought them.

The Devils also have a bit of a history with this stuff. They obviously made a splash by trading for Kovalchuk all those years ago, and 2 years ago they traded the 9th overall pick for Cory Schneider, which has worked out pretty well for them.

So it might be possible to trade Kessel for a 6th and Phaneuf for a 16th to go with the 4th and 24th. 

4th Strome, 6th Crouse, 16th Chabot and 24th Daniel Sprong

That would be a legit addition to Rielly and Nylander.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So it might be possible to trade Kessel for a 6th and Phaneuf for a 16th to go with the 4th and 24th. 

4th Strome, 6th Crouse, 16th Chabot and 24th Daniel Sprong

That would be a legit addition to Rielly and Nylander.

It'd be Hanifin & Barzal or Strome & Werenski with 4 and 6, but yeah . I don't see Phaneuf going for 16 though.

 

[pmrules]

I heard someone suggest Kessel to NJ for the 6th overall pick. I think that would make a lot of sense actually. You know Lou is going to want to get back into the playoffs badly. The Devils can't score, they finished 28th in goals this year and 25th the year before that. They haven't even come close to being able to replace the offence that Kovalchuk brought them.

The Devils also have a bit of a history with this stuff. They obviously made a splash by trading for Kovalchuk all those years ago, and 2 years ago they traded the 9th overall pick for Cory Schneider, which has worked out pretty well for them.

If the #6 is all we got for Kessel, I'd be severely disappointed.  He's worth more than that (not 2 firsts and a 2nd but more than just #6).

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I heard someone suggest Kessel to NJ for the 6th overall pick. I think that would make a lot of sense actually. You know Lou is going to want to get back into the playoffs badly. The Devils can't score, they finished 28th in goals this year and 25th the year before that. They haven't even come close to being able to replace the offence that Kovalchuk brought them.

The Devils also have a bit of a history with this stuff. They obviously made a splash by trading for Kovalchuk all those years ago, and 2 years ago they traded the 9th overall pick for Cory Schneider, which has worked out pretty well for them.

If the #6 is all we got for Kessel, I'd be severely disappointed.  He's worth more than that (not 2 firsts and a 2nd but more than just #6).

Think of it more as Kessel for Barzal and $8 million in cap space for at least a few more years.  It softens the blow a little bit.    Besides, they'll need those extra $$$ to sign Stamkos a year from now.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I heard someone suggest Kessel to NJ for the 6th overall pick. I think that would make a lot of sense actually. You know Lou is going to want to get back into the playoffs badly. The Devils can't score, they finished 28th in goals this year and 25th the year before that. They haven't even come close to being able to replace the offence that Kovalchuk brought them.

The Devils also have a bit of a history with this stuff. They obviously made a splash by trading for Kovalchuk all those years ago, and 2 years ago they traded the 9th overall pick for Cory Schneider, which has worked out pretty well for them.

So it might be possible to trade Kessel for a 6th and Phaneuf for a 16th to go with the 4th and 24th. 

4th Strome, 6th Crouse, 16th Chabot and 24th Daniel Sprong

Or, better yet, we could draft 4 Belleville Bulls!

 

[Frank E]

I heard someone suggest Kessel to NJ for the 6th overall pick. I think that would make a lot of sense actually. You know Lou is going to want to get back into the playoffs badly. The Devils can't score, they finished 28th in goals this year and 25th the year before that. They haven't even come close to being able to replace the offence that Kovalchuk brought them.

The Devils also have a bit of a history with this stuff. They obviously made a splash by trading for Kovalchuk all those years ago, and 2 years ago they traded the 9th overall pick for Cory Schneider, which has worked out pretty well for them.

So it might be possible to trade Kessel for a 6th and Phaneuf for a 16th to go with the 4th and 24th. 

4th Strome, 6th Crouse, 16th Chabot and 24th Daniel Sprong

Or, better yet, we could draft 4 Belleville Bulls!

Hamilton Bulldogs, ahem.