Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[GhostofPotvin29]

That's tough coming out to face the media under these circumstances. I applaud Randy for being honest, and not deflecting too much of the blame away from himself. He stayed pretty classy here.

I think his comments about Gardiner were a bit off-side.  He pretended not to reveal who it is but referred to  him as an "offensive minded, rover type" of defenseman or something like that.  It was obvious he was talking about Gardiner when he said he was shocked by who he compared himself to in the league, as if to suggest that Gardiner is delusional about his own ability.

Maybe he shouldn't have said it, but he's not wrong.

It's a crappy comment by a coach about his own player.  Maybe Carlyle knows he's getting fired anyway so didn't care.

And now we see why everyone is worried Gardiner will be traded if Carlyle stays.  It's more than just teams ask about him because he's good - there seems to be a genuine issue there.

I don't think the issue is specific to Carlyle.

You don't think the fact there is an issue between Carlyle/Gardiner is specific to Carlyle?  Not sure I'm following.

I think that the issue that Carlyle has with Gardiner is not specific to Carlyle. That another coach would have the same issue. The issue being Gardiner isn't as good as he thinks he is.

Who cares how good he thinks he is?  He can think he's Bobby Orr mixed with Wayne Gretzky for all I care.  He plays very good on the ice and that's all I care about, and the possession stats back that up.

 

[BrownRolo]

That's tough coming out to face the media under these circumstances. I applaud Randy for being honest, and not deflecting too much of the blame away from himself. He stayed pretty classy here.

I think his comments about Gardiner were a bit off-side.  He pretended not to reveal who it is but referred to  him as an "offensive minded, rover type" of defenseman or something like that.  It was obvious he was talking about Gardiner when he said he was shocked by who he compared himself to in the league, as if to suggest that Gardiner is delusional about his own ability.

Maybe he shouldn't have said it, but he's not wrong.

It's a crappy comment by a coach about his own player.  Maybe Carlyle knows he's getting fired anyway so didn't care.

And now we see why everyone is worried Gardiner will be traded if Carlyle stays.  It's more than just teams ask about him because he's good - there seems to be a genuine issue there.

I don't think the issue is specific to Carlyle.

You don't think the fact there is an issue between Carlyle/Gardiner is specific to Carlyle?  Not sure I'm following.

I think that the issue that Carlyle has with Gardiner is not specific to Carlyle. That another coach would have the same issue. The issue being Gardiner isn't as good as he thinks he is.

The way Gardiner acts has never seemed to be a problem. He makes a lot of defensive mistakes, but he doesn't come across as a cocky player.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Hopefully Shanahan and Nonis don't let the coach make that decision for them.

Oh yeah I don't think they will, but if there really is something there I doubt they would let that relationship continue for very long.

 

[L K]

Who did Gardiner compare himself to?  Nobody seems to be saying on twitter.

It's not something he said publicly. It was something that came up in conversations with the coaching staff and, really, should have remained there.

Kind of like when Potvin compared himself to David Frost.  Totally blew my mind.  Do delusional.

It's times like these I wish there was a big red button that Shanahan could just press and make Carlyle disappear.

 

[Zee]

That's tough coming out to face the media under these circumstances. I applaud Randy for being honest, and not deflecting too much of the blame away from himself. He stayed pretty classy here.

I think his comments about Gardiner were a bit off-side.  He pretended not to reveal who it is but referred to  him as an "offensive minded, rover type" of defenseman or something like that.  It was obvious he was talking about Gardiner when he said he was shocked by who he compared himself to in the league, as if to suggest that Gardiner is delusional about his own ability.

Maybe he shouldn't have said it, but he's not wrong.

It's a crappy comment by a coach about his own player.  Maybe Carlyle knows he's getting fired anyway so didn't care.

And now we see why everyone is worried Gardiner will be traded if Carlyle stays.  It's more than just teams ask about him because he's good - there seems to be a genuine issue there.

I don't think the issue is specific to Carlyle.

You don't think the fact there is an issue between Carlyle/Gardiner is specific to Carlyle?  Not sure I'm following.

I think that the issue that Carlyle has with Gardiner is not specific to Carlyle. That another coach would have the same issue. The issue being Gardiner isn't as good as he thinks he is.

He's also not yet 24 years old and at that age a lot of people think highly of themselves.  Maybe with maturity he'll gain a better understanding of his ability and his place, but the Carlyle comments are stupid.  All the things that went wrong with this team and he chooses to single out the best defenseman he had down the stretch.  It really makes no sense other than I guess Carlyle really wants Gardiner gone.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Who did Gardiner compare himself to?  Nobody seems to be saying on twitter.

It's not something he said publicly. It was something that came up in conversations with the coaching staff and, really, should have remained there.

Could you imagine the sh*t show that would occur if Reimer openly talked about what was said during his meeting?

 

[drummond]

Who did Gardiner compare himself to?  Nobody seems to be saying on twitter.

It would be hilarious if Gardiner compared himself to Carlyle ;D

 

[Zee]

Who did Gardiner compare himself to?  Nobody seems to be saying on twitter.

It would be hilarious if Gardiner compared himself to Carlyle ;D

I never thought of that.  ;D ;D ;D "I'm an offensive guy, just like you were coach!"

 

[bustaheims]

Could you imagine the sh*t show that would occur if Reimer openly talked about what was said during his meeting?

Or any of a dozen players. It was part of a private conversation, and it should have remained there. It's really a basic trust thing. My hope is that Carlyle knows he won't be back and he took the opportunity to take a parting shot at someone, but, regardless, it's just not the right thing to do.

 

[TML fan]

That's tough coming out to face the media under these circumstances. I applaud Randy for being honest, and not deflecting too much of the blame away from himself. He stayed pretty classy here.

I think his comments about Gardiner were a bit off-side.  He pretended not to reveal who it is but referred to  him as an "offensive minded, rover type" of defenseman or something like that.  It was obvious he was talking about Gardiner when he said he was shocked by who he compared himself to in the league, as if to suggest that Gardiner is delusional about his own ability.

Maybe he shouldn't have said it, but he's not wrong.

It's a crappy comment by a coach about his own player.  Maybe Carlyle knows he's getting fired anyway so didn't care.

And now we see why everyone is worried Gardiner will be traded if Carlyle stays.  It's more than just teams ask about him because he's good - there seems to be a genuine issue there.

I don't think the issue is specific to Carlyle.

You don't think the fact there is an issue between Carlyle/Gardiner is specific to Carlyle?  Not sure I'm following.

I think that the issue that Carlyle has with Gardiner is not specific to Carlyle. That another coach would have the same issue. The issue being Gardiner isn't as good as he thinks he is.

Who cares how good he thinks he is?  He can think he's Bobby Orr mixed with Wayne Gretzky for all I care.  He plays very good on the ice and that's all I care about, and the possession stats back that up.

Well, I care. I'd like Gardiner to turn into a good defenceman one day.

 

[Zee]

Could you imagine the sh*t show that would occur if Reimer openly talked about what was said during his meeting?

Or any of a dozen players. It was part of a private conversation, and it should have remained there. It's really a basic trust thing. My hope is that Carlyle knows he won't be back and he took the opportunity to take a parting shot at someone, but, regardless, it's just not the right thing to do.

That's my take on it as well.  It was a stupid thing for him to say, especially when he described the player he was referring to so that everyone knew it was Gardiner.  What was the point of that?  This massive team collapse and he chooses to pick on one guy on the roster??

 

[TML fan]

That's tough coming out to face the media under these circumstances. I applaud Randy for being honest, and not deflecting too much of the blame away from himself. He stayed pretty classy here.

I think his comments about Gardiner were a bit off-side.  He pretended not to reveal who it is but referred to  him as an "offensive minded, rover type" of defenseman or something like that.  It was obvious he was talking about Gardiner when he said he was shocked by who he compared himself to in the league, as if to suggest that Gardiner is delusional about his own ability.

Maybe he shouldn't have said it, but he's not wrong.

It's a crappy comment by a coach about his own player.  Maybe Carlyle knows he's getting fired anyway so didn't care.

And now we see why everyone is worried Gardiner will be traded if Carlyle stays.  It's more than just teams ask about him because he's good - there seems to be a genuine issue there.

I don't think the issue is specific to Carlyle.

You don't think the fact there is an issue between Carlyle/Gardiner is specific to Carlyle?  Not sure I'm following.

I think that the issue that Carlyle has with Gardiner is not specific to Carlyle. That another coach would have the same issue. The issue being Gardiner isn't as good as he thinks he is.

He's also not yet 24 years old and at that age a lot of people think highly of themselves.  Maybe with maturity he'll gain a better understanding of his ability and his place, but the Carlyle comments are stupid.  All the things that went wrong with this team and he chooses to single out the best defenseman he had down the stretch.  It really makes no sense other than I guess Carlyle really wants Gardiner gone.

I don't agree with pretty much everything Carlyle has done, except for the most part, the way he's treated Gardiner. He wants Gardiner to learn to play the position properly. His skill is only going to take him so far. This isn't the NCAA or the AHL where he can just blow everyone away with his skill. At this level, a lot of people are just as good, if not better than Gardiner. You're right he is young, and maybe he will learn, but that won't happen if people keep telling him he's the best. Now, all that said, I agree completely those are words that should have been kept in the locker room.

 

[caver]

Who did Gardiner compare himself to?  Nobody seems to be saying on twitter.

It's not something he said publicly. It was something that came up in conversations with the coaching staff and, really, should have remained there.

Definitely. Maybe Carlyle should sit in at prospect's camp when they teach them how to speak to the press. 

 

[93forever]

Way to go Carlyle.  The reason you will be fired soon is your ability to alienate your own players instead of providing the support they need and deserve.  First Reimer and now Gardiner.  No wonder the players tuned you out.

 

[Rebel_1812]

We can all agree that the team needs to be better defensively.  That is exactly what carlyle said he was preaching all year.  If only the players responded to that message.  If the players don't play for now two coaches, maybe we need to change the core players.

 

[Redleaf]

We can all agree that the team needs to be better defensively.  That is exactly what carlyle said he was preaching all year.  If only the players responded to that message.  If the players don't play for now two coaches, maybe we need to change the core players.

This has been what I've been thinking as well. One more coaching change before they consider a major overhaul here. I have to think Shanahan will come to this very conclusion. I think they might strip Phaneuf of the C as well. I expect a couple of trades and a few Marlie call ups. Should anything close to what's happened at the end of this season happen again?..this lineup will go .....BOOM!

 

[Optimus Reimer]

We can all agree that the team needs to be better defensively.  That is exactly what carlyle said he was preaching all year.  If only the players responded to that message.  If the players don't play for now two coaches, maybe we need to change the core players.

The players played as if they tuned Carlyle out so they were not listening to his message.

 

[Zee]

Rosie DiManno says Carlyle isn't getting fired:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2014/04/15/blame_delusional_players_not_randy_carlyle_for_leafs_collapse_dimanno.html

 

[bustaheims]

Rosie DiManno says Carlyle isn't getting fired:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2014/04/15/blame_delusional_players_not_randy_carlyle_for_leafs_collapse_dimanno.html

I love it when the media reaffirms my stance by having the least reputable of their brethren spew out a bunch of crap. Carlyle is done with the Leafs.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Is she the last remaining journalist at The Star who hasn't been hired by the Globe and Mail?