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Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

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Randy told the press Grabovski's poor record in the shootout played into his snub, Grabo would have been the 11th shooter.

Grabo has better shootout stats than a number of guys who went before him and his 25% average is not far off the league average.

Swing and a miss coach.
 
Grabovski is drifting further and further out of the team's picture IMO. I thought he has looked out of place since day 1. I'll be surprised if he's here after the trade deadline.
 
I don't see them being able to get good value back given the contract he has now.

He is still a very good player, the problem is he is being used in a role that doesn't really allow for much offensive production, yet it seems the coach is unhappy that he's not lighting the lamp.

Seems strange.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
That's it everyone, I've figured it out. It all makes sense now. Carlyle is a spy for Brian Burke. And this is his way of getting back at MLSE.

Stay with me here. When was the last time Carlyle's line-up decisions made any kind of sense? Last season when Burke was still the teams GM. Gardiner was getting 20+ minutes a night. He seemed to genuinly want to play Kadri. Our shutdown line had actual shut down players on it. What's more likely? That Carlyle just lost his mind during the lockout, or that he and Brian are in cahoots?

I can't believe that we didn't see this sooner.
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Devious!
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I don't see them being able to get good value back given the contract he has now.

He is still a very good player, the problem is he is being used in a role that doesn't really allow for much offensive production, yet it seems the coach is unhappy that he's not lighting the lamp.

Seems strange.
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Possibly, however I think anyone looking to trade for him will also take into account how he's being used. I also don't think his contract is entirely unreasonable for what he's capable of doing in the right role. He should be playing with Kessel and van Riemsdyk.
 
TML fan said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I don't see them being able to get good value back given the contract he has now.

He is still a very good player, the problem is he is being used in a role that doesn't really allow for much offensive production, yet it seems the coach is unhappy that he's not lighting the lamp.

Seems strange.
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He should be playing with Kessel and van Riemsdyk.
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I'd love to see them try this, if only for a game or two.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I don't see them being able to get good value back given the contract he has now.

He is still a very good player, the problem is he is being used in a role that doesn't really allow for much offensive production, yet it seems the coach is unhappy that he's not lighting the lamp.

Seems strange.
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The frustration from the coaches I can partly understand, given some of the decisions Grabbo has been making lately in the offensive zone.  He made a really bad play on the Jets 3rd or 4th goal on Saturday .. an error he's been making a lot - the attempt to push the puck back to the Leafs player along the wall but having to get it past an opponent to do so. The right play was to throw it back into the corner.  In many plays in many games this year he gets the puck down low on the left side and will more often than not circle away from the net vs. getting the puck on net. 

He wasn't doing that last year.  There is something not right about his game in the zone down low that has changed for the worse and I don't really blame coaches or linemates since the errors are him making them.  The good news is he can bounce back from it, but has to get past them.

 
Potvin29 said:
That seems like a really nitpicky thing that I swear happens many times in every game.  I'll have to watch for it.
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Not really nitpicking ... it's the difference between players/teams that take care of the details that win or lose the game. Plays like that are the kind that drive coaches insane.  You can take the chance to make that play, but you darned well better make it.  If your attempt is weak and is intercepted, it's easy for the other team to turn it into a very dangerous play.
 
Corn Flake said:
Potvin29 said:
That seems like a really nitpicky thing that I swear happens many times in every game.  I'll have to watch for it.
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Not really nitpicking ... it's the difference between players/teams that take care of the details that win or lose the game. Plays like that are the kind that drive coaches insane.  You can take the chance to make that play, but you darned well better make it.  If your attempt is weak and is intercepted, it's easy for the other team to turn it into a very dangerous play.
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He didn't even get a chance to make a play in the Winnipeg game because he fumbled the puck.  Don't think it's a case of decision-making, we don't even know what his decision was going to be because he lost control.  I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with his decision-making on the ice, and if there is I don't think that play exemplifies it anyways.  He just lost control of it.
 
I personally agree with CF. If you are going to turn the puck back towards the dman, you better damn well be sure the puck gets there.

It drives me nuts when guys do that. It's almost on par with making a drop pass a foot inside the offensive zone and putting the puck back into traffic in your own end.

That being said, Grabovski isn't the only one that does it.
 
All I can say is that I've watched this game for 50+ years and
even Mike Nykoluk, John Brophy, Nick Beverly, Floyd Smith et al
made more understandable coaching decisions than RC. I'm seriously
beginning to think that the Ducks won because they had Neidermeyer, Pronger, Selanne, Perry etc and certainly not because they had RC.

We hear over and over that RC "has a designed play off every faceoff"...
well that may be the only thing he's done that makes sense but in saying that I coached my son in hockey and we had the same plays designed...
so whoop-de-do.
 
lamajama said:
I'm seriously beginning to think that the Ducks won because they had Neidermeyer, Pronger, Selanne, Perry etc and certainly not because they had RC.
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All teams win the cup because of the players they have.
 
RC seems to have set a new record for speed at which fans are turning on him. It's like he inherited a contender and turned them into a playoff bubble team or something.

:-X
 
Potvin29 said:
Please no

@DavidAlter590 Colton Orr on a line with Grabovski and MacArthur at #leafs practice today.
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Good god, this had better just be one of those practice things.

The one thing I don't understand: is Grabovski that much better at defensive play than Bozak? If not, then why not force Bozak into the shut-down role and let the reins loose on Grabovski on offense?
 
The odd thing about Randy is that I like a lot of about him. He doesn't whine and snarl at the media a la Ron, he runs the penalty kill properly (who knew that standing in a stationary box and allowing the opposing team to fire at will wasn't the way to go?), he's not afraid to run with young guys, etc.

But on the other hand some of his errors in judgment are pretty glaring, many of which have to do with how he uses his personnel in given situations (fourth line in the defensive end at a crucial moment? Leading scorer on the bench during a two minute 5 on 3 with the other line struggling mightily? Colton Orr everything? Use of Koska and Holzer?).  It seems like he's slowly working to correct his stubbornness from earlier in the season, but we'll see.
 
Strangelove said:
The odd thing about Randy is that I like a lot of about him. He doesn't whine and snarl at the media a la Ron, he runs the penalty kill properly (who knew that standing in a stationary box and allowing the opposing team to fire at will wasn't the way to go?), he's not afraid to run with young guys, etc.

But on the other hand some of his errors in judgment are pretty glaring, many of which have to do with how he uses his personnel in given situations (fourth line in the defensive end at a crucial moment? Leading scorer on the bench during a two minute 5 on 3 with the other line struggling mightily? Colton Orr everything? Use of Koska and Holzer?).  It seems like he's slowly working to correct his stubbornness from earlier in the season, but we'll see.
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Good post.
 
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