Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Few more losses and the quote would look like that

I just don't buy that. I admit we haven't seen a ton from Nonis but I really don't buy that he's the guy who's going to look at a team with a decent record and fire a coach because of concerns about where they might be in a month.

I agree, Carlyle is going nowhere.

On a side note, this team is severely missing Bolland IMO.

 

[Kin]

On a side note, this team is severely missing Bolland IMO.

I agree and while it's a bit of a side issue I think that that some people aren't really giving the Leafs the break they should on the fact that the one position where they're the most deficient is also the one where they've had the worst  luck with injuries.

 

[Zee]

PK is in trouble.

@jonasTSN1050 14m
The Leafs have already allowed more power-play goals in 25 games this season than they did in 48 last season.

 

[Joe S.]

Remember when Wilson's teams would get 40 shots on net and lose 4-1? Yeah, good times.

If it's not one thing it's another with this team.

 

[Zee]

OK, so they're in a slump now, but all teams go through it.  Looking at the standings, the Leafs are incredibly still on pace for 98 points this season with their current record.

That being said, they need to get out of this funk and play alot better very quickly.

 

[Stickytape]

Remember when Wilson's teams would get 40 shots on net and lose 4-1? Yeah, good times.

If it's not one thing it's another with this team.

Very true, and important to keep in mind.  Still, not all things are equal: I think shooting but failing to score is a good deal more understandable than being consistently unable to break out of your zone and failing to even register a shot in over 25 minutes.

I guess the added layer of frustration for me is that I keep thinking: if this team can get to 5-4 or 5-5 against a team like the Pens when they're outshot 2:1, imagine what they could accomplish if they could at least semi-reliably exit their own zone.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Remember when Wilson's teams would get 40 shots on net and lose 4-1? Yeah, good times.

If it's not one thing it's another with this team.

Remember when Jason Blake would skate real hard up the boards and take useless shots on net, wishing for a mistake by the goalie?

 

[Highlander]

Aye the good ol days, Toskala wishing the puck was a beach ball?god I miss em

 

[Joe S.]

Remember when Wilson's teams would get 40 shots on net and lose 4-1? Yeah, good times.

If it's not one thing it's another with this team.

Very true, and important to keep in mind.  Still, not all things are equal: I think shooting but failing to score is a good deal more understandable than being consistently unable to break out of your zone and failing to even register a shot in over 25 minutes.

I guess the added layer of frustration for me is that I keep thinking: if this team can get to 5-4 or 5-5 against a team like the Pens when they're outshot 2:1, imagine what they could accomplish if they could at least semi-reliably exit their own zone.

don't mistake my comment for excusing this team in any way. What I'm getting at is that there's always something 'broken' with this team.

 

[Joe S.]

Remember when Wilson's teams would get 40 shots on net and lose 4-1? Yeah, good times.

If it's not one thing it's another with this team.

Remember when Jason Blake would skate real hard up the boards and take useless shots on net, wishing for a mistake by the goalie?

NO! But thanks for reminding me! Ugh...  thought I'd erased that from my memory.

 

[Joe S.]

OK, so they're in a slump now, but all teams go through it.  Looking at the standings, the Leafs are incredibly still on pace for 98 points this season with their current record.

That being said, they need to get out of this funk and play alot better very quickly.

This isn't a funk in my opinion, it's a pattern at this point.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

NO! But thanks for reminding me! Ugh...  thought I'd erased that from my memory.

I'd rather the team get quality chances, than crazy shots of that type. That is also not an excuse for not getting any shots last night either in the third period, but I'm less focused on our shots. Making it harder for the other team to get shots on us is a bigger problem for me when looking at this team.

 

[Zee]

OK, so they're in a slump now, but all teams go through it.  Looking at the standings, the Leafs are incredibly still on pace for 98 points this season with their current record.

That being said, they need to get out of this funk and play alot better very quickly.

This isn't a funk in my opinion, it's a pattern at this point.

Detroit recently lost 7 in a row (although they got quite a few points in OT/SO) and the fans were ready to jump off a bridge.  Now they've won 3 of 4 and all is well again.  Leafs can still turn it around.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

A team that gets outshot 19-0 in the 3rd and OT is not a team that solely has coaching problems. There's a whole list of issues with this team and coaching is just a small part of it IMO.

I think it's actually the opposite. That a team with players like Kessel, JVR, Kadri, Clarkson and, to a lesser extent, Raymond, Kulemin, Bozak, Phaneuf and Rielly, should be unable to get one shot on net for over an hour tells me that there is something wrong on the coaching and system side of things. If this were a less talented team I would be more inclined to agree with your assessment.

So what you're telling me is the system they are taught prevented them from getting a shot in 25 minutes? Somehow I doubt that. It just doesn't make sense that any coach would have a system implemented that would teach this. The fact that Kessel, Bozak, JVR, Kadri and company didn't get a shot for 25 minutes is a result of them not doing their jobs not the coach saying "Keep the puck in our zone for the next period! Screw playing hockey!"

 

[Zee]

A team that gets outshot 19-0 in the 3rd and OT is not a team that solely has coaching problems. There's a whole list of issues with this team and coaching is just a small part of it IMO.

I think it's actually the opposite. That a team with players like Kessel, JVR, Kadri, Clarkson and, to a lesser extent, Raymond, Kulemin, Bozak, Phaneuf and Rielly, should be unable to get one shot on net for over an hour tells me that there is something wrong on the coaching and system side of things. If this were a less talented team I would be more inclined to agree with your assessment.

So what you're telling me is the system they are taught prevented them from getting a shot in 25 minutes? Somehow I doubt that. It just doesn't make sense that any coach would have a system implemented that would teach this. The fact that Kessel, Bozak, JVR, Kadri and company didn't get a shot for 25 minutes is a result of them not doing their jobs not the coach saying "Keep the puck in our zone for the next period! Screw playing hockey!"

Whatever it is, there's either a disconnect and the players aren't getting it, or they simple are too crap to play the system he wants.  Either that or they don't care and tune him out.  I'm sure Carlyle's system doesn't call to sit back for the final 25 minutes and absorb pressure as you said.


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[OldTimeHockey]

A team that gets outshot 19-0 in the 3rd and OT is not a team that solely has coaching problems. There's a whole list of issues with this team and coaching is just a small part of it IMO.

I think it's actually the opposite. That a team with players like Kessel, JVR, Kadri, Clarkson and, to a lesser extent, Raymond, Kulemin, Bozak, Phaneuf and Rielly, should be unable to get one shot on net for over an hour tells me that there is something wrong on the coaching and system side of things. If this were a less talented team I would be more inclined to agree with your assessment.

So what you're telling me is the system they are taught prevented them from getting a shot in 25 minutes? Somehow I doubt that. It just doesn't make sense that any coach would have a system implemented that would teach this. The fact that Kessel, Bozak, JVR, Kadri and company didn't get a shot for 25 minutes is a result of them not doing their jobs not the coach saying "Keep the puck in our zone for the next period! Screw playing hockey!"

Whatever it is, there's either a disconnect and the players aren't getting it, or they simple are too crap to play the system he wants.  Either that or they don't care and tune him out.  I'm sure Carlyle's system doesn't call to sit back for the final 25 minutes and absorb pressure as you said.

You see, I don't blame it on the system. That very system netted them 5 goals in the first 2 periods. Why would they suddenly shut him out after the 2nd intermission? I mean, unless he walked in and insulted all their mothers.

This team plays scared. Whether game 7 is still in their head or not, they play like it is. They're terrified to make a mistake. It's like they think that once a goal is scored against them, 3 or 4 more are coming. As a fan, I kind of feel the same way.

 

[Erndog]

Last nights 3rd/OT was just a culmination of how poorly we've been playing this season (or was it last game against Columbus)?

Continously getting outshot, outchanced, out worked, eventually catches up to you.  Our goalies won't be posting .940 SV%'s all season.... I figured once they taper off to .920 levels (which is still excellent) we are going to be in a boatload of trouble and the last two games showed it.

How we managed to play 25 min of shotless hockey is beyond me.  I don't think it's a talent thing either as we do have some very good players.  There must be some disconnet somewhere (coaching? style? players? who knows).

Ive said it countless times, I don't care what our record is, I haven't enjoyed this season at all.  Winning and getting severly outplayed still leaves me a little empty.

 

[Zee]

Last nights 3rd/OT was just a culmination of how poorly we've been playing this season (or was it last game against Columbus)?

Continously getting outshot, outchanced, out worked, eventually catches up to you.  Our goalies won't be posting .940 SV%'s all season.... I figured once they taper off to .920 levels (which is still excellent) we are going to be in a boatload of trouble and the last two games showed it.

How we managed to play 25 min of shotless hockey is beyond me.  I don't think it's a talent thing either as we do have some very good players.  There must be some disconnet somewhere (coaching? style? players? who knows).

Ive said it countless times, I don't care what our record is, I haven't enjoyed this season at all.  Winning and getting severly outplayed still leaves me a little empty.

But last night as an example, what the hell happened between the 2nd and the 3rd?  Shots were 29-24 after 2, the Leafs weren't getting badly outplayed at all for the first 40.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

It's like they crawl under their desks and tuck their head between their knees to avoid the coming explosion, or in the case of this team, implosion.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

OK, so they're in a slump now, but all teams go through it.  Looking at the standings, the Leafs are incredibly still on pace for 98 points this season with their current record.

That being said, they need to get out of this funk and play alot better very quickly.

This isn't a funk in my opinion, it's a pattern at this point.

Detroit recently lost 7 in a row (although they got quite a few points in OT/SO) and the fans were ready to jump off a bridge.  Now they've won 3 of 4 and all is well again.  Leafs can still turn it around.

But how did they play in those games they lost?  It doesn't mean much without context.  You could see the Leafs poor play leading to this, their 4-5-1 record going into last night.  This isn't really a team in a funk, they haven't played well all season but got by on elite goaltending and some hot shooting to start the season.

I haven't seen anything yet to tell me this is just a funk they're going through, they've been this outplayed pretty much all season save for a few glimmers of hope.