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The 2014 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

Peter D. said:
Is it ever annoying to read the first thing from other teams'
fans is the accusation that Encarnacion, Bautista and Francisco are on PEDs.
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Let them  say what they like.  Besides, who cares what they think.  Annoying or not, I wouldn't pay any attention  to  their accusations.  It's not like they're going to instill suspicion in  the minds of those in charge at MLB. 
 
What a horrible game for Reds fans at the game, though.  The evening hit a huge high in the first hour or so.  And then they had to endure more than 3 hours of things getting less amusing, then uncomfortable, then worrisome, then nerve-wracking, then just flat-out depressing.

What was with the people behind the plate doing what I'm only guessing was the "Angels in the outfield" slow flap...?  They were Reds fans, but I could only see it being distracting to their own pitchers.  Worked for me, though.
 
Peter D. said:
Deebo said:
He's now #1 in the majors in HR since the beginning of the 2012 season.
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Is it ever annoying to read the first thing from other teams' fans is the accusation that Encarnacion, Bautista and Francisco are on PEDs.
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But how can anyone NOT have some kind of suspicion? EE had 15 homers in his last full season with Tor before being non-tendered and then, boom, 42 homers? Bautista was a bit player who never hit more than something like 13-14 homers and then, boom, 54 homers? Come on, if these players were on the Yankees wouldn't PED accusations be the first thing on any of our minds?
 
Andy007 said:
Peter D. said:
Deebo said:
He's now #1 in the majors in HR since the beginning of the 2012 season.
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Is it ever annoying to read the first thing from other teams' fans is the accusation that Encarnacion, Bautista and Francisco are on PEDs.
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But how can anyone NOT have some kind of suspicion? EE had 15 homers in his last full season with Tor before being non-tendered and then, boom, 42 homers? Bautista was a bit player who never hit more than something like 13-14 homers and then, boom, 54 homers? Come on, if these players were on the Yankees wouldn't PED accusations be the first thing on any of our minds?
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17.  And he had previous seasons of 26 HR with Cincy and had 21 in 96 games with the Jays in 2010.  So you had proof that the power was there, and since you've already got an example in Jose Bautista on the same team of what a power hitter can accomplish when they figure out their mechanics it shouldn't really be a red flag anymore.  Bautista stated in the past he was tested tons of times and I'm sure Encarnacion has been as well.

There's no reason to be suspicious of someone for the mistakes of others until there is some proof or link.
 
Andy007 said:
But how can anyone NOT have some kind of suspicion? EE had 15 homers in his last full season with Tor before being non-tendered and then, boom, 42 homers? Bautista was a bit player who never hit more than something like 13-14 homers and then, boom, 54 homers? Come on, if these players were on the Yankees wouldn't PED accusations be the first thing on any of our minds?
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At first, maybe, but these guys are tested at least 4 times a season now. If they had been using something, they would have been suspended for it already.
 
bustaheims said:
Andy007 said:
But how can anyone NOT have some kind of suspicion? EE had 15 homers in his last full season with Tor before being non-tendered and then, boom, 42 homers? Bautista was a bit player who never hit more than something like 13-14 homers and then, boom, 54 homers? Come on, if these players were on the Yankees wouldn't PED accusations be the first thing on any of our minds?
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At first, maybe, but these guys are tested at least 4 times a season now. If they had been using something, they would have been suspended for it already.
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Or they are ahead of the curve.  I mean Barry Bonds never tested positive either (unless you buy the government accusations of tests hidden at BALCO).  Look at the top Olympic athletes who avoided positive tests too...and their testing regime is run by a religious zealot.

Personally I don't think they use steroids but the absence of a positive test doesn't mean much to me when it comes to athletes taking a competitive edge.
 
L K said:
Or they are ahead of the curve.  I mean Barry Bonds never tested positive either (unless you buy the government accusations of tests hidden at BALCO).  Look at the top Olympic athletes who avoided positive tests too...and their testing regime is run by a religious zealot.
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Well, a big part of the reason Bonds never tested positive was that there wasn't a really a serious mandatory testing program in place for most of his career. It was really only in his last couple seasons in the league that it started to become a serious thing for the league. The league only got serious about it in 2005 - a season in which Bonds only played 14 games and put up much more believable totals in the two seasons he played afterwards. As for the Olympics . . . well, they might be the most corrupt major sporting event on the planet, so, you know . . .
 
L K said:
bustaheims said:
Andy007 said:
But how can anyone NOT have some kind of suspicion? EE had 15 homers in his last full season with Tor before being non-tendered and then, boom, 42 homers? Bautista was a bit player who never hit more than something like 13-14 homers and then, boom, 54 homers? Come on, if these players were on the Yankees wouldn't PED accusations be the first thing on any of our minds?
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At first, maybe, but these guys are tested at least 4 times a season now. If they had been using something, they would have been suspended for it already.
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Or they are ahead of the curve.  I mean Barry Bonds never tested positive either (unless you buy the government accusations of tests hidden at BALCO).  Look at the top Olympic athletes who avoided positive tests too...and their testing regime is run by a religious zealot.

Personally I don't think they use steroids but the absence of a positive test doesn't mean much to me when it comes to athletes taking a competitive edge.
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Exactly. A-Rod is suspended for a year but he never tested positive while with the Yankees. MLB testing is always going to be behind the curve.

Personally I have no idea whether EE or Bautista are juicing, I just think it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that it's impossible or to be angered or offended when a fan of an opposing team brings the subject up.

If any rival team had a bench player whose career high in home runs was 16 and as a 29-30 year old that person suddenly hit 54 home runs, the first thing I am thinking is steroids. It might not be true but it's certainly a valid hypothesis.
 
Andy007 said:
Personally I have no idea whether EE or Bautista are juicing, I just think it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that it's impossible or to be angered or offended when a fan of an opposing team brings the subject up.

If any rival team had a bench player whose career high in home runs was 16 and as a 29-30 year old that person suddenly hit 54 home runs, the first thing I am thinking is steroids. It might not be true but it's certainly a valid hypothesis.
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If we were to go over to an Orioles forum now and throw the suspicion of Chris Davis's use of PEDs, you don't think they'd be angered?

Valid as it may be, no fan is going to accept an accusation like that without some sort of defensive mechanism.
 
Peter D. said:
Andy007 said:
Personally I have no idea whether EE or Bautista are juicing, I just think it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that it's impossible or to be angered or offended when a fan of an opposing team brings the subject up.

If any rival team had a bench player whose career high in home runs was 16 and as a 29-30 year old that person suddenly hit 54 home runs, the first thing I am thinking is steroids. It might not be true but it's certainly a valid hypothesis.
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If we were to go over to an Orioles forum now and throw the suspicion of Chris Davis's use of PEDs, you don't think they'd be angered?

Valid as it may be, no fan is going to accept an accusation like that without some sort of defensive mechanism.
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I don't see why it has to break down along the lines of your varying fandoms though. If someone said they suspected Chris Davis of PED use I'd say "Yeah, maybe" and if someone said that about EE or Bautista I'd say "Yeah, maybe". There's nothing about being a Blue Jays fan that makes me think that players on the Blue Jays are morally better and less likely to use PEDS than anyone else.

There's a base level of suspicion that accompanies any unusual growth in power for a player but until there's any definitive proof, who cares?
 
Stuck in the midst of a major slump, the Jays are now dropping like flies. Lind and Reyes are already nursing minor injuries, now Lawrie and Bautista are hurt, as well.
 
bustaheims said:
Stuck in the midst of a major slump, the Jays are now dropping like flies. Lind and Reyes are already nursing minor injuries, now Lawrie and Bautista are hurt, as well.
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It could be no other way as a Jays fan.
 
Lawrie with broken and index finger, placed on 15-day DL; Bautista with hamstring tightness, to have MRI as precaution.

Just what the Jays need right now, plus a slump to go wih it.

Gibbons will not have much choice but to use a combination of Francisco at third base and either Kawasaki or Tolleson at second, plus either Pillar or Gose in the outfield (to take Bautista's place).

Read more here:
http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/scott_macarthur/?id=455451
 
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