The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread

[Mack674]

The overwhelming idea on sportsnet right now from the panel is that Wilson has gotta go.o
Picking up steam, I think he may actually get fired somehow.

Wishful thinking. Wilson could literally go crazy, brandishing a knife at ghosts and repeating nonsense phrases over and over in his nasal drawl, and Burke still wouldn't fire him.

This might actually get some results

I LOLd at all of that. What a state this team is in

 

[cap44]

Dear Mr Burke
Pleassssssse you gave him his Christmas gift. Now do the right
thing and give every fan of the Leafs, many as old or older than you,
a gift and fire Wilson.
If you cannot do it please walk with your friend out the door.
I cannot take it anymore. Blame it on whoever you want but you have
changed just about every player on the roster. And the ones you have
not changed you have chosen to keep . This is your team Mr Burke
why? why? why?
If Wilson is such a good coach he should have no problem finding
employment elsewhere.

Well put. I just heard the Costa Concordia is looking for a new Captain.....the perfect assignment for Wilson!

 

[Mack674]

Just going to throw this out here as a measuring stick:

"The 2006?07 NHL season would see the Flyers get off to a horrible 1?6?1 start over their first eight games. It was their worst start in 15 years. After a 9?1 loss to the Buffalo Sabres, management promised there would be some major changes to the organization. On October 22, 2006, the Flyers fired Hitchcock and General Manager Bobby Clarke stepped down."

1-6-1 gets the entire management team fired in Philadelphia. In Toronto, you can go on 7,8,9, maybe even 10 game losing streaks every season for 4 straight years and nobody bats an eyelash.

What were the guys saying about complacency the other day?

 

[Fanatic]

There is no point in firing Wilson now anymore, and I say that for two reasons.

1. Even if a change was made now I think at best the Leafs would squeak into the playoffs but still get bounced out quickly. Keep Wilson and let them get the highest draft pick possible.

2. Eakins is very likely the guy. Let him finish the season with the Marlies and possibly win a championship.

Wilson will be done as soon as this dreadful season is over.

 

[proteus2000]

Just going to throw this out here as a measuring stick:

"The 2006?07 NHL season would see the Flyers get off to a horrible 1?6?1 start over their first eight games. It was their worst start in 15 years. After a 9?1 loss to the Buffalo Sabres, management promised there would be some major changes to the organization. On October 22, 2006, the Flyers fired Hitchcock and General Manager Bobby Clarke stepped down."

1-6-1 gets the entire management team fired in Philadelphia. In Toronto, you can go on 7,8,9, maybe even 10 game losing streaks every season for 4 straight years and nobody bats an eyelash.

What were the guys saying about complacency the other day?

That's the way to hit rock bottom. The flyers finished with 56 pts, accepted a porous yr, and came back the next season with 95 pts and a final 4 appearance.

I think it's too late to fire Wilson as well, Eakins will def be the next coach.

 

[KW Sluggo]

There is no point in firing Wilson now anymore, and I say that for two reasons.

1. Even if a change was made now I think at best the Leafs would squeak into the playoffs but still get bounced out quickly. Keep Wilson and let them get the highest draft pick possible.

2. Eakins is very likely the guy. Let him finish the season with the Marlies and possibly win a championship.

Wilson will be done as soon as this dreadful season is over.

Yes there is a point to firing Wilson now.

First, you get to see if Eakins can coach at the NHL level. If he is to be the next coach, it is time to use the last 19 games to have him get used to the personnel in on ice situations and to make his own estimation as to who can and cannot perform and it what roles.

Secondly, having done so, Eakins will have a better idea which Marlies might best fill in the weak spots.

Thirdly, you get to see how the current players react to a different coach, This will allow you to see which players are failing due to Wilson's coaching and which ones are failing on their own account.

Fourthly, you avoid losing Eakins to another NHL team that is currently coach hunting but waiting until the end of the season to formally dump its current coach. I would say that such discussions are well under way at this point in the season.

Fifthly, it does send a message to the Muskoka 23 presently on the roster.

Finally, after swapping players constantly for the last 4 years and after axing assistant coaches, a coaching change is the only variable left. If not now, when?  If Wilson has not earned immediate dismissal (I would say he did so long ago), what more does he need to do?

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Wilson is not the former, ergo he is the latter.

 

[gunnar36]

And if we get rid of Wilson, at Zettler better go as well.  His shelf life as a defence coach has expired a long time ago....he was a below average defencmean when he played and even worse coach.

I agree with bringing Eakins into the fold....let just stick with 3 guys behind the bench like most teams instead of 4.  It is embarrasing having the biggest coaching staff and scouting staff in the league and consistenly being below average in both facets.

 

[Peter D.]

I keep reading and hearing that Eakins should be promoted immediately if Wilson were fired.  I disagree.  He's got the Marlies tied for 2nd in the conference and he's evidently doing a good job.  No need to rip him out of the system when his task is to develop the young talent the Leafs are looking to rely on for the future.

If Burke is pegging a guy like Carlyle for the job, then do it whenever.  But if Eakins is indeed the man in line to take the job, just wait 'til the summer.  Promote Scott Gordon as he has NHL experience, let him ride out the season whichever way it goes, then reevaluate everything come summertime.

 

[maplesyrup]

Why would Burke remove the Marlies coach in the middle of a run at a championship? Makes zero sense to me. I'd rather see someone else just take over an interim position for the remainder of the season and see who might be available in the off-season.

 

[maplesyrup]

I keep reading and hearing that Eakins should be promoted immediately if Wilson were fired.  I disagree.  He's got the Marlies tied for 2nd in the conference and he's evidently doing a good job.  No need to rip him out of the system when his task is to develop the young talent the Leafs are looking to rely on for the future.

If Burke is pegging a guy like Carlyle for the job, then do it whenever.  But if Eakins is indeed the man in line to take the job, just wait 'til the summer.  Promote Scott Gordon as he has NHL experience, let him ride out the season whichever way it goes, then reevaluate everything come summertime.

Jynx!... And yes... ^This^

 

[lc9]

Yes there is a point to firing Wilson now.

First, you get to see if Eakins can coach at the NHL level. If he is to be the next coach, it is time to use the last 19 games to have him get used to the personnel in on ice situations and to make his own estimation as to who can and cannot perform and it what roles.

Secondly, having done so, Eakins will have a better idea which Marlies might best fill in the weak spots.

Thirdly, you get to see how the current players react to a different coach, This will allow you to see which players are failing due to Wilson's coaching and which ones are failing on their own account.

Fourthly, you avoid losing Eakins to another NHL team that is currently coach hunting but waiting until the end of the season to formally dump its current coach. I would say that such discussions are well under way at this point in the season.

Fifthly, it does send a message to the Muskoka 23 presently on the roster.

Finally, after swapping players constantly for the last 4 years and after axing assistant coaches, a coaching change is the only variable left. If not now, when?  If Wilson has not earned immediate dismissal (I would say he did so long ago), what more does he need to do?

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Wilson is not the former, ergo he is the latter.

I agree with all of this, well said.

 

[ZBBM]

I keep reading and hearing that Eakins should be promoted immediately if Wilson were fired.  I disagree.  He's got the Marlies tied for 2nd in the conference and he's evidently doing a good job.  No need to rip him out of the system when his task is to develop the young talent the Leafs are looking to rely on for the future.

If Burke is pegging a guy like Carlyle for the job, then do it whenever.  But if Eakins is indeed the man in line to take the job, just wait 'til the summer.  Promote Scott Gordon as he has NHL experience, let him ride out the season whichever way it goes, then reevaluate everything come summertime.

^^

After some consideration, I think if Wilson were fired now I'd let Gordon be interim and keep Eakins with the Marlies.  But I'd sure be looking at Eakins as the next coach, and not just handing it to Carlyle or somebody else.

 

[lc9]

I am sorry, but I hope Burke doesn't make a coaching decision based on how the Marlies season should end.

Burkes job is to make the Leafs the best team as possible, if Eakins is the answer then make a decision based on that, not on an AHL playoff run.

But, I think it's clear Wilson won't be going anywhere this year.

 

[maplesyrup]

I am sorry, but I hope Burke doesn't make a coaching decision based on how the Marlies season should end.

Burkes job is to make the Leafs the best team as possible, if Eakins is the answer then make a decision based on that, not on an AHL playoff run.

But, I think it's clear Wilson won't be going anywhere this year.

A huge part of that is prospect development. Might as well make that a priority right now.

 

[Erndog]

FWIW, on the Team1200 this morning Pierre McGuire (who worked with/for Brian Burke before) said he doesn't think Burke would fire a coach mid season.  He gave some examples of coaches Burke had (i.e. Crawford, Babcock, Carlyle, etc) and said if he does fire Wilson expect it in the summer, not now.

 

[lc9]

I am sorry, but I hope Burke doesn't make a coaching decision based on how the Marlies season should end.

Burkes job is to make the Leafs the best team as possible, if Eakins is the answer then make a decision based on that, not on an AHL playoff run.

But, I think it's clear Wilson won't be going anywhere this year.

A huge part of that is prospect development. Might as well make that a priority right now.

I am not sure how Eakins leaving for the end of the season would hurt prospect development. 

 

[cabber24]

Has he been fired yet?...... now?...
...................
How about now?

 

[maplesyrup]

I am sorry, but I hope Burke doesn't make a coaching decision based on how the Marlies season should end.

Burkes job is to make the Leafs the best team as possible, if Eakins is the answer then make a decision based on that, not on an AHL playoff run.

But, I think it's clear Wilson won't be going anywhere this year.

A huge part of that is prospect development. Might as well make that a priority right now.

I am not sure how Eakins leaving for the end of the season would hurt prospect development.

Because whatever brand of vodka he's selling down there seems to be working. The longer the kids play under him the better, and the deeper Eakins can take them in the playoffs, all the better they'll be for it.

 

[maplesyrup]

You know, I'd also consider Dudley in the interim... Possibly over Gordon. Dudley would represent a whole brand new voice in the room.

 

[The Red Polar Bear]

I am sorry, but I hope Burke doesn't make a coaching decision based on how the Marlies season should end.

Burkes job is to make the Leafs the best team as possible, if Eakins is the answer then make a decision based on that, not on an AHL playoff run.

But, I think it's clear Wilson won't be going anywhere this year.

A huge part of that is prospect development. Might as well make that a priority right now.

I am not sure how Eakins leaving for the end of the season would hurt prospect development.

Because whatever brand of vodka he's selling down there seems to be working. The longer the kids play under him the better, and the deeper Eakins can take them in the playoffs, all the better they'll be for it.

This is where my head is right now.

BB is going to make Eakins the coach for next year, but doesn't want to pull him out of the Marlies playoff run. He sees an AHL championship being more important for development than missing the NHL playoffs or getting bounced in 4 or 5 games.