Unofficial 2013-2014 Armchair GM Thread

[caver]

If New York had fired Tortorella last year I wonder if Burke might have looked at him to replace Wilson. Can you imagine the press conference with both Burke and Tortorella ? Simmons would have melted right down into his shoes !

 

[bustaheims]

They have enough young guys is what Roy said.  I think or hope that they would be looking at something like Grabovski, Kulemin and Liles.  Salary is not an issue with them.

It doesn't really matter what Roy said. He's not the GM.

 

[Corn Flake]

They have enough young guys is what Roy said.  I think or hope that they would be looking at something like Grabovski, Kulemin and Liles.  Salary is not an issue with them.

It doesn't really matter what Roy said. He's not the GM.

u sure? If not, who is? Seems like a bizarre structure.

 

[Kin]

They have enough young guys is what Roy said.  I think or hope that they would be looking at something like Grabovski, Kulemin and Liles.  Salary is not an issue with them.

It doesn't really matter what Roy said. He's not the GM.

So...we won't be getting McKinnon for Grabo, Kulemin and Liles? Because I've already ordered the jersey.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

They have enough young guys is what Roy said.  I think or hope that they would be looking at something like Grabovski, Kulemin and Liles.  Salary is not an issue with them.

Yeah that's not gonna happen. Grabbo is way overpaid, they traded Liles when he was making roughly the same or less and while Kulemin is a nice 3rd line type complimentary piece, he's not the guy that lands you a Mackinnon.

I would imagine the talks would start around Gardiner + Kadri, or Gardiner + Rielly sort of thing.

We're not trading 100 pennies for a dollar here.

 

[bustaheims]

u sure? If not, who is? Seems like a bizarre structure.

Greg Sherman still holds that title.

 

[bustaheims]

So...we won't be getting McKinnon for Grabo, Kulemin and Liles? Because I've already ordered the jersey.

Well, if they hire Jay Feaster, Doug Riseborough or Mike Milbury to run the team between now and the draft, maybe, but, otherwise . . .

 

[Corn Flake]

u sure? If not, who is? Seems like a bizarre structure.

Greg Sherman still holds that title.

And its been said he holds it in name only.  Was he even at the Roy PC?

 

[bustaheims]

And its been said he holds it in name only.  Was he even at the Roy PC?

I know that's been rumoured, but, really, if that were true, why would they hold on to him or, at least, give him another title? It would mean they're basically paying him to do nothing, and for a team with some money issues, that seems like an unlikely thing for them to do.

 

[TML fan]

If Patrick Roy really said they are young enough already and would be willing to trade the #1 we better be offering practically anything to get MacKinnon

Yup.  Anything.  Literally.

Wonder what type of package would get Mackinnon....

Kadri +
Gardiner +
Rielly +++

Assume Avs would lean towards a Gardiner + deal, based on need for defense.

Probably more like Phil Kessel +

 

[Corn Flake]

And its been said he holds it in name only.  Was he even at the Roy PC?

I know that's been rumoured, but, really, if that were true, why would they hold on to him or, at least, give him another title? It would mean they're basically paying him to do nothing, and for a team with some money issues, that seems like an unlikely thing for them to do.

Everyone needs a butler.

 

[Jalili]

If Patrick Roy really said they are young enough already and would be willing to trade the #1 we better be offering practically anything to get MacKinnon

Yup.  Anything.  Literally.

Wonder what type of package would get Mackinnon....

Kadri +
Gardiner +
Rielly +++

Assume Avs would lean towards a Gardiner + deal, based on need for defense.

Probably more like Phil Kessel +

Not when he's a year from being an UFA.

 

[Corn Flake]

Probably more like Phil Kessel +

Not when he's a year from being an UFA.

Yeah I don't see it as a move like that. I think they would want to have players going into 2nd contracts and not pending UFA super-term deals from a  cost perspective, and from an age perspective, high end talent that is in the same range as the kids they have.  Having a "kid" at 18 is a lot different than a "kid" at 22-23 like Gardiner or Kadri.  Need to give the former 2-3 years to emerge, the latter should be ready to go right now (which both guys I menionted are). 

Roy probably wants to bring in veteran presence along side the kids, vs. not bring in any more high end young talent.

 

[Jalili]

Probably more like Phil Kessel +

Not when he's a year from being an UFA.

Yeah I don't see it as a move like that. I think they would want to have players going into 2nd contracts and not pending UFA super-term deals from a  cost perspective, and from an age perspective, high end talent that is in the same range as the kids they have.  Having a "kid" at 18 is a lot different than a "kid" at 22-23 like Gardiner or Kadri.  Need to give the former 2-3 years to emerge, the latter should be ready to go right now (which both guys I menionted are). 

Roy probably wants to bring in veteran presence along side the kids, vs. not bring in any more high end young talent.

No doubt, players in their EL or bridge contract are the top currency in the NHL right now.

I think there could be a deal to be made with Colorado. Maybe not for the 1st pick... but Johnson or Stastny are possibilities depending on who they draft.

Someone here mentioned EJ a while back as a trade possibility - I think there could be something to that if they draft Jones.

 

[TML fan]

If Patrick Roy really said they are young enough already and would be willing to trade the #1 we better be offering practically anything to get MacKinnon

Yup.  Anything.  Literally.

Wonder what type of package would get Mackinnon....

Kadri +
Gardiner +
Rielly +++

Assume Avs would lean towards a Gardiner + deal, based on need for defense.

Probably more like Phil Kessel +

Not when he's a year from being an UFA.

I don't think that matters at all.

Why would anyone trade the 1st overall pick for a combo involving a 2nd line centre, a 2nd pairing defenceman, and a completely unproven prospect? Kessel would arguably be the best player on their team. Gardiner wouldn't even be in their top 2 (and if he was that's pretty sad) and Kadri would probably be their 3rd line centre. 2nd at best.

It makes zero sense to just throw a pick like that away on essentially spare parts. Those players don't even start the conversation.

 

[Jalili]

I don't think that matters at all.

Why would anyone trade the 1st overall pick for a 2nd line centre, a 2nd pairing defenceman, and a completely unproven prospect?

Leaving aside whether or not Colorado would actually make that trade, I think CF got it right.

If they wanted to speed up their rebuild they'd go for guys who are ready to make an impact right now, but are still RFA's and can be cost controlled to some extent for a more years.

For a team like Colorado that's known as one of the cheapest in the league, that would be pretty important for them.

With Kessel, you've got one year left until he's making about $8 mill, and there's also very little security that he'd even re-sign with the Avs.

 

[TML fan]

I don't think that matters at all.

Why would anyone trade the 1st overall pick for a 2nd line centre, a 2nd pairing defenceman, and a completely unproven prospect?

Leaving aside whether or not Colorado would actually make that trade, I think CF got it right.

If they wanted to speed up their rebuild they'd go for guys who are ready to make an impact right now, but are still RFA's and can be cost controlled to some extent for a more years.

For a team like Colorado that's known as one of the cheapest in the league, that would be pretty important for them.

With Kessel, you've got one year left until he's making about $8 mill, and there's also very little security that he'd even re-sign with the Avs.

Ok well as long as we are leaving fairly important factors aside, just leave aside the fact that Kessel is a UFA in a year, because he's the kind of player it would take.

 

[Kin]

Leaving aside whether or not Colorado would actually make that trade, I think CF got it right.

If they wanted to speed up their rebuild they'd go for guys who are ready to make an impact right now, but are still RFA's and can be cost controlled to some extent for a more years.

I don't know if that's so true any more. Yeah, for guys like Pk Subban and hopefully Nazem Kadri you can control them for a couple extra years at below market but it seems to be a pretty acrimonious process which Colorado, I assume, will be pretty familiar with after O'Reilly. What we've seen in Edmonton though is that the kinds of players that I assume Colorado would want to add are going to get paid regardless.

 

[Jalili]

Leaving aside whether or not Colorado would actually make that trade, I think CF got it right.

If they wanted to speed up their rebuild they'd go for guys who are ready to make an impact right now, but are still RFA's and can be cost controlled to some extent for a more years.

I don't know if that's so true any more. Yeah, for guys like Pk Subban and hopefully Nazem Kadri you can control them for a couple extra years at below market but it seems to be a pretty acrimonious process which Colorado, I assume, will be pretty familiar with after O'Reilly. What we've seen in Edmonton though is that the kinds of players that I assume Colorado would want to add are going to get paid regardless.

It depends. Generally speaking, when a player signs a bridge contract it's usually for quite a bit less than what that player could get as an UFA. When they sign a deal that eats up a few UFA years then the price goes up, but it's still pretty good value compared to paying for an UFA.

 

[Jalili]

Ok well as long as we are leaving fairly important factors aside, just leave aside the fact that Kessel is a UFA in a year, because he's the kind of player it would take.

Well, I left it aside because it's the concept that I think is right. Those are the type of assets Colorado would want, whether it's Toronto or any other team offering them. Kessel, being an upcoming UFA, would be a less attractive option for Colorado.