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Unofficial 2013-2014 Armchair GM Thread

bustaheims said:
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Lupul, Kadri and Gardiner for Kane and Buf.

Anyone think that could get done?

I'd do it.
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From a value perspective, it's not terrible, but, from a team building perspective, it doesn't really make sense for the Leafs. There just isn't the depth down to middle to be able to afford to move both Kadri without a top 6 centre coming back. Honestly, I don't think either team makes that trade.
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With Kane and Byfuglien I have to be careful.  I have watched quite a few Winnipeg games and the reason I would have wanted them is because Noel was horrible with both those players and I though the Leafs could buy low.  With Maurice and the 11-3-1 stretch the Jets have been on I wouldn't want to pay top price for either player as they both do have issues.  This is a case where I feel the player stats reflect them as a player.

Kane (15g 15a) is fast and has a great shot but he ISN'T as creative as Kadri (15g 27a) .  Byfuglien (-16) cost the Jets so many games when he was a dman with poor coverage, horrible outlet passes and missed assignements that I have no idea why Noel left him on defense.  Maurice has typically used him as a forward at even strength and a defenseman on the PP which has been significantly smarter.

I would rather just go for Kesler and Bieksa since Vancouver are desperate to make the play offs.

Bolland, Gardiner, + whoever.

It is quite unnerving as a fan that 2 of the 3 cornerstone contract Nonis has handed out since becoming the GM are to Phaneuf and Clarkson.  What??  Pretty bad asset assessment.
 
If this Leafs team does not do something to shake things up, they're not making the playoffs. The 3 games since the Olympics have been downright awful.
 
If Nonis is after a top 4 D-man, I think Franson, Gunnarsson or Gardiner would have to be a part of a deal. If we trade Franson, it would have to be an upgrade, but if we traded Gardiner, I believe it would have to be for a much better defenseman coming back our way. Gunnarsson and Gardiner I'd rather keep though, but I could be convinced to move Gunnar for the right guy.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
If Nonis is after a top 4 D-man, I think Franson, Gunnarsson or Gardiner would have to be a part of a deal. If we trade Franson, it would have to be an upgrade, but if we traded Gardiner, I believe it would have to be for a much better defenseman coming back our way. Gunnarsson and Gardiner I'd rather keep though, but I could be convinced to move Gunnar for the right guy.
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Totally agree, but I'm just not sure that we will see that kind of significant change at the deadline.  That said, given the trio of names and who acquired them, I would be calling Burkie and talking about what it would take to get Giordano.

But in the off season, as I mentioned on the other thread, this defense should and likely will get a major overhaul.  They simply cannot continue to have that many guys who struggle in their own zone.  I think it's pretty clear that this cast of characters as a group of six are going to struggle to play cohesive defense for 60 minutes every single night.
 
Corn Flake said:
BlueWhiteBlood said:
If Nonis is after a top 4 D-man, I think Franson, Gunnarsson or Gardiner would have to be a part of a deal. If we trade Franson, it would have to be an upgrade, but if we traded Gardiner, I believe it would have to be for a much better defenseman coming back our way. Gunnarsson and Gardiner I'd rather keep though, but I could be convinced to move Gunnar for the right guy.
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Totally agree, but I'm just not sure that we will see that kind of significant change at the deadline.  That said, given the trio of names and who acquired them, I would be calling Burkie and talking about what it would take to get Giordano.
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I like Giordano also, have for a while and I would love for Nonis to pick him up. It would probably go under the radar and avoid the big price tag of say Erhoff or Edler or someone like that.

But in the off season, as I mentioned on the other thread, this defense should and likely will get a major overhaul.  They simply cannot continue to have that many guys who struggle in their own zone.  I think it's pretty clear that this cast of characters as a group of six are going to struggle to play cohesive defense for 60 minutes every single night.
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I'm not sure I go with a major  overhaul, but some pieces have to change around somewhat. I think Petter Granberg is in the plans, so if lose Ranger to a younger player, I don't think it's such a loss. A better player coming in might have to be of the variety discussed above.
 
Corn Flake said:
Totally agree, but I'm just not sure that we will see that kind of significant change at the deadline.  That said, given the trio of names and who acquired them, I would be calling Burkie and talking about what it would take to get Giordano.
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Giordano would be great, but he was named their captain and is their best player right now. I can't see Burke trading him for anything less than an outright steal.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Corn Flake said:
Totally agree, but I'm just not sure that we will see that kind of significant change at the deadline.  That said, given the trio of names and who acquired them, I would be calling Burkie and talking about what it would take to get Giordano.
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Giordano would be great, but he was named their captain and is their best player right now. I can't see Burke trading him for anything less than an outright steal.
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Yes, but he is 30 years old and if Burke wants to get more future in the fold then he would be wise to consider it.  Also, wonder if Giordano is going to be content to hang around for 3+ years while the Flames rebuild? 

Who knows but just guessing that Burke would be sniffing around some of the young Leafs players and might be willing to do something big... probably not at the deadline but at the draft.
 
Corn Flake said:
Who knows but just guessing that Burke would be sniffing around some of the young Leafs players and might be willing to do something big... probably not at the deadline but at the draft.
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The Leafs really shouldn't be making any big moves at the deadline, either. They're basically a coin flip in terms of making the playoffs and are, at best, a longshot when it comes to the Cup. Considering the prices we're hearing for guys right now, the most the Leafs should be doing is making minor depth moves and maybe selling off some spare parts. Let the season play out and see where things land. Re-assess and go from there.
 
Saw that Ottawa has placed Cory Conacher on waivers.  Great asset management by Murray on this one (he was acquired for Ben Bishop).

Anyway, he's small, really small, but has good offensive skills and plays a snarky game.  24 years old, has scratched and clawed to make it to the NHL.  I wonder if he'd be a pretty good pickup to play on the fourth line, fill in on the third when needed.  At any rate, the acquisition cost is right.
 
A Weekend at Bernier's said:
Saw that Ottawa has placed Cory Conacher on waivers.  Great asset management by Murray on this one (he was acquired for Ben Bishop).

Anyway, he's small, really small, but has good offensive skills and plays a snarky game.  24 years old, has scratched and clawed to make it to the NHL.  I wonder if he'd be a pretty good pickup to play on the fourth line, fill in on the third when needed.  At any rate, the acquisition cost is right.
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He's really more of a top 6 or bust type guy. That's kind of why he's on waivers.
 
bustaheims said:
A Weekend at Bernier's said:
Saw that Ottawa has placed Cory Conacher on waivers.  Great asset management by Murray on this one (he was acquired for Ben Bishop).

Anyway, he's small, really small, but has good offensive skills and plays a snarky game.  24 years old, has scratched and clawed to make it to the NHL.  I wonder if he'd be a pretty good pickup to play on the fourth line, fill in on the third when needed.  At any rate, the acquisition cost is right.
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He's really more of a top 6 or bust type guy. That's kind of why he's on waivers.
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I sort of like Brendan Gallagher, in a hateful, spiteful sort of way.  I wonder if Cory Conacher could sort of play that role.
 
A Weekend at Bernier's said:
I sort of like Brendan Gallagher, in a hateful, spiteful sort of way.  I wonder if Cory Conacher could sort of play that role.
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Gallagher's a much better player than Conacher, and gets top 6 minutes in Montreal. Conacher's also not really that type of guy. If he was, he'd be on Ottawa's 2nd line.
 
I would like to see the leafs be sellers.  They are down 3 second round picks the next three years. They need a few more high picks to improve their pipeline.
 
I would have pursued him in the summer, but the trade cost might be high right now. So if he signs, he wanted to stay, but if he doesn't and becomes available I'd go after him.
 
The Boston Globe is reporting that the Bruins had a deal in place with Vancouver to acquire Edler but it hinged on Kesler being moved first. If the Canucks really do make him available Nonis' 1st, 2nd, and 3rd priorities this offseason should be to trade for either Edler or Byfuglien.
 
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