Van Riemsdyk Being Mentioned

[bustaheims]

I think JvR's draft position has led to him being a little over-rated. 3 years into the league, and he's producing like a decent but unspectacular 2nd line type player. Some of that has to do with the depth on the Flyers' roster, but, at the same time, it also says something about him as a player that he's been passed in the depth chart by Read, Voracek and Simmonds. For a guy who is supposedly a power forward in the making, his physical play isn't exactly anything to write home about, he's one of only 4 Flyers forwards who have played 28 or more games who is a minus player and, despite getting almost 3 minutes of PP time a game, he only has 5 PP points (the Flyers, by the way, have the 3rd more PP goals in the league). He still has some potential, sure, but, so does Schenn, and, quite frankly, I wouldn't trade Schenn straight up for JvR until he shows that he can be more than what he's been so far - especially considering he'll have a $4.25M cap hit for 6 years starting next season.

 

[Corn Flake]

JVR's new contract is one of the more puzzling contracts in recent memory.

If the Leafs move Schenn I think they can do better in a package situation for some top centre who shall remain nameless than to do a one-for-one move like this.  I don't see what JVR does to step ahead of Kulemin or Lupul in the depth chart, so he's a 3rd line LW from the get-go. 

I like JVR but am cooling off on him the longer it goes without this guy breaking out. 

 

[Kin]

I don't get the "when is this guy going to break out" talk regarding Van Riemsdyk. He's 21. He's gotten very limited minutes on a pretty good Flyers team and produced decently during them. He's not a star, no, but how many guys his age are?

 

[maplesyrup]

Or, Jake Gardiner for Brayden Schenn 

* runs away *

 

[Corn Flake]

I don't get the "when is this guy going to break out" talk regarding Van Riemsdyk. He's 21. He's gotten very limited minutes on a pretty good Flyers team and produced decently during them. He's not a star, no, but how many guys his age are?

He is 22, not 21... will be 23 before the year is out and will also have likely played 200 NHL games before then too.  Five years removed from his draft year, brought along fairly slowly.  He's put up similar numbers his first two years and is projecting just a hair more this year.  Overall he has been a pretty "meh" player since the draft.  And honestly, this day in age at 2nd overall you expect a little bit more of a steeper rise than 5 years to get where he is today.

Plus, I'd be more patient about it if he wasn't about to jump to $4.5 mil / year for 6 years.  What would we say about Kulemin if he was about to hit a contract of that term and would his value be perceived at if he was?

 

[Jalili]

I don't get the "when is this guy going to break out" talk regarding Van Riemsdyk. He's 21. He's gotten very limited minutes on a pretty good Flyers team and produced decently during them. He's not a star, no, but how many guys his age are?

It's mainly because of his draft position I think. He's also one of those guys who got the power forward label because of his size, when he's more of a finesse player with a power forward's frame. I think that factors into why he gets a lukewarm reception.

 

[Zee]

I'd have no problems with JVR except for his new contract.  I think maybe the Flyers feel the same way now.  They were probably hoping he'd be further ahead than he currently is when he got that deal.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Flyers new MO. Sign a young player to long contract then deal him.

 

[oldman]

I don't think JVR can be traded right now. I've read on a couple boards that JVR has an injury that will be taken care of in the off season. If it's true and what it is I have no idea. I don't think you can trade injured players.

 

[Kin]

He's put up similar numbers his first two years and is projecting just a hair more this year.  Overall he has been a pretty "meh" player since the draft.  And honestly, this day in age at 2nd overall you expect a little bit more of a steeper rise than 5 years to get where he is today.

Well, I'd say he's actually shown a pretty good rate of improvement in his three years. 35 points his first year, then 40(with 21 goals) and this year his 82 game pace is 50 points/25 goals. He's done this, mind you, without getting a ton of ice time.

I mean, ignore the irrelevant stuff like his draft position/time in the league. He's 22 and on the aforementioned 25 goal pace. That's pretty good. I don't love the contract either but it's not like Schenn is a star himself.

 

[Zee]

I don't think JVR can be traded right now. I've read on a couple boards that JVR has an injury that will be taken care of in the off season. If it's true and what it is I have no idea. I don't think you can trade injured players.

As long as the teams are aware of the injury situation he can be traded.  They can't try and hide an injury and trade a guy.  In fact, when we traded for Kessel he was injured and didn't play for the Leafs until November.

 

[jonlleafs]

I don't think JVR can be traded right now. I've read on a couple boards that JVR has an injury that will be taken care of in the off season. If it's true and what it is I have no idea. I don't think you can trade injured players.

Umm.. Phil Housley?

 

[Peter D.]

I think JVR could become a very good power forward.  If push came to shove, I'd likely deal Schenn for him.

However, if we do in fact trade Schenn, I'm still longing for it to be in a deal for a #1 centre first and foremost.  Schenn for a winger, then expending more assets (Kadri, Gardiner, 1st, etc.) for a centre -- assuming that's the route Burke obtains one -- is just too much at this time. 

 

[Champ Kind]

Or, Jake Gardiner for Brayden Schenn 

* runs away *

This is on first blush a wild proposal but Burke did allude to this sort of scenario on his PTS interview.  He clearly indicated swapping young, developing, blue chip players is of interest to him, especially if they play different positions or bring something unique to the table.  While outrageous, Sarge's proposal certainly fits Burke's scenario.

Incidentally, Burke was unequivocal in stating he is in serious trade talks and that moves are likely.

 

[Redleaf]

Or, Jake Gardiner for Brayden Schenn 

* runs away *

This is on first blush a wild proposal but Burke did allude to this sort of scenario on his PTS interview.  He clearly indicated swapping young, developing, blue chip players is of interest to him, especially if they play different positions or bring something unique to the table.  While outrageous, Sarge's proposal certainly fits Burke's scenario.

Incidentally, Burke was unequivocal in stating he is in serious trade talks and that moves are likely.

Yeah. It kinda surprised me how candid he was when answering the question about something being on the burner right now. "YEP"

Its like he is mulling over a trade that could go down any day now. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the discussion room right now.

 

[TML fan]

I don't like this trade idea at all.

 

[Zee]

Or, Jake Gardiner for Brayden Schenn 

* runs away *

This is on first blush a wild proposal but Burke did allude to this sort of scenario on his PTS interview.  He clearly indicated swapping young, developing, blue chip players is of interest to him, especially if they play different positions or bring something unique to the table.  While outrageous, Sarge's proposal certainly fits Burke's scenario.

Incidentally, Burke was unequivocal in stating he is in serious trade talks and that moves are likely.

Yeah. It kinda surprised me how candid he was when answering the question about something being on the burner right now. "YEP"

Its like he is mulling over a trade that could go down any day now. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the discussion room right now.

Yeah, the multiple "YEP"s from Burke got me excited. 

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Or, Jake Gardiner for Brayden Schenn 

* runs away *

This is on first blush a wild proposal but Burke did allude to this sort of scenario on his PTS interview.  He clearly indicated swapping young, developing, blue chip players is of interest to him, especially if they play different positions or bring something unique to the table.  While outrageous, Sarge's proposal certainly fits Burke's scenario.

Incidentally, Burke was unequivocal in stating he is in serious trade talks and that moves are likely.

Yeah. It kinda surprised me how candid he was when answering the question about something being on the burner right now. "YEP"

Its like he is mulling over a trade that could go down any day now. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the discussion room right now.

Yeah, the multiple "YEP"s from Burke got me excited. 

Another Caputi type deal in the works!

 

[Redleaf]

I can't explain it, but this Van Riemsdyk rumor just seems to have a certain feel to it. With the comments made by Burke about "age group asset trades", more size needed up front, and the depth they have on defense, I wouldn't dismiss this one just yet. It could be the one he's tinkering with right now to get it done.

 

[Big Daddy]

heres hoping we get van riem and b.schenn for aulie kadri and say blacker