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Van Riemsdyk Being Mentioned

princedpw said:
Well, I think I'd rather trade Schenn for Couturier.  But I suppose that's neither here nor there.

I'd rather trade Schenn for Schenn, but I don't think that'll happen either. :)
 
I would do this deal if it was one for one in a heartbeat. Schenn's game has tooken a step down and I've written about this many a times and his decline I think is his skating. Others have posted the same as well and since he beefed up his skating has gotten worse and if he's not playing sound positional hockey he's getting beat. Plus I don't see much in his game either that gives us any optimism. He's never gonna be an offensive threat, play the PP etc. If he sheds some muscle and gets back to how he played earlier in his career he'll be just fine, but what you see is what you get. JVR on the other hand has more upside than Luke. Although slightly overpaid for one good playoff season his contract isn't all that bad if he can get on track and on a new team I think he can. Also it's another top 6 forward and a young one to boot. I would hate to see Luke go as I've always liked him but I think in my opinion anyway we would be an improved team for a one for one deal.
 
I'm a bit surprised some of you are keen to do a Schenn for Van Reimsdyk deal - Luke is about to start hitting his prime and I haven't seen much more than an slightly above average 3rd line forward out of JVR. Not to mention the $ difference. Another American though.
 
Madferret said:
I'm a bit surprised some of you are keen to do a Schenn for Van Reimsdyk deal - Luke is about to start hitting his prime and I haven't seen much more than an slightly above average 3rd line forward out of JVR. Not to mention the $ difference. Another American though.

I'd also be very happy to NOT do that deal but like I said, my feeling is that JVR has a higher ceiling as a top 6 forward than Schenn does as a top 4 defenceman. The contract doesn't bother me much either and it's a long enough term that if pans out, we could see a significant amount of time where it's a steal (probably the logic behind why Philly did it in the first place.) As far as the birth certificate goes, I could care or less where these guys are from... I'm not sure why some folks make a big deal out of it. 
 
The thing is defense is a lot harder to get a handle on and Schenn seems like he has all the tools to be a real top shut down defenseman. It's not that it's a bad idea really just that, at this point, when I look at games played I am pretty impressed that Schenn is only -10 on 272 games played through one of the most horrific stretches in Leafs history.

Incidentally he was never going to be a big point guy but he has gained ground every year in that area.
 
Tigger said:
The thing is defense is a lot harder to get a handle on and Schenn seems like he has all the tools to be a real top shut down defenseman. It's not that it's a bad idea really just that, at this point, when I look at games played I am pretty impressed that Schenn is only -10 on 272 games played through one of the most horrific stretches in Leafs history.

Incidentally he was never going to be a big point guy but he has gained ground every year in that area.

I think it's safe to say the Leafs have a good young stable of defenseman in their system. There's no telling who among the current or future group will emerge as the best of the lot, but I'm sure they wouldnt miss Schenn too much. Franson, Aulie, and Gardiner all look pretty promising, and could all potentially turn out as good or better in the long run.
 
RedLeaf said:
Tigger said:
The thing is defense is a lot harder to get a handle on and Schenn seems like he has all the tools to be a real top shut down defenseman. It's not that it's a bad idea really just that, at this point, when I look at games played I am pretty impressed that Schenn is only -10 on 272 games played through one of the most horrific stretches in Leafs history.

Incidentally he was never going to be a big point guy but he has gained ground every year in that area.

I think it's safe to say the Leafs have good young stable of defenseman in their system. There's no telling who among the current or future group will emerge as the best of the lot, but I'm sure they wouldnt miss Schenn too much. Franson, Aulie, and Gardiner all look pretty promising, and could all potentially turn out as good or better in the long run.

Depth isn't a reason to make a mediocre trade to me, fwiw.

 
Tigger said:
RedLeaf said:
Tigger said:
The thing is defense is a lot harder to get a handle on and Schenn seems like he has all the tools to be a real top shut down defenseman. It's not that it's a bad idea really just that, at this point, when I look at games played I am pretty impressed that Schenn is only -10 on 272 games played through one of the most horrific stretches in Leafs history.

Incidentally he was never going to be a big point guy but he has gained ground every year in that area.

I think it's safe to say the Leafs have a good young stable of defenseman in their system. There's no telling who among the current or future group will emerge as the best of the lot, but I'm sure they wouldnt miss Schenn too much. Franson, Aulie, and Gardiner all look pretty promising, and could all potentially turn out as good or better in the long run.

Depth isn't a reason to make a mediocre trade to me, fwiw.

I really don't know much about Van Reimsdyk to be honest. His stats don't stand out to me as overly impressive. He is young, talented, and big bodied. We have depth on the D, and Burke sees a pressing need to bolster the size of the forward lines. Is he the guy we need? I'll leave that for some of you guys to decide.
 
RedLeaf said:
Tigger said:
RedLeaf said:
Tigger said:
The thing is defense is a lot harder to get a handle on and Schenn seems like he has all the tools to be a real top shut down defenseman. It's not that it's a bad idea really just that, at this point, when I look at games played I am pretty impressed that Schenn is only -10 on 272 games played through one of the most horrific stretches in Leafs history.

Incidentally he was never going to be a big point guy but he has gained ground every year in that area.

I think it's safe to say the Leafs have a good young stable of defenseman in their system. There's no telling who among the current or future group will emerge as the best of the lot, but I'm sure they wouldnt miss Schenn too much. Franson, Aulie, and Gardiner all look pretty promising, and could all potentially turn out as good or better in the long run.

Depth isn't a reason to make a mediocre trade to me, fwiw.

I really don't know much about Van Reimsdyk to be honest. His stats don't stand out to me as overly impressive. He is young, talented, and big bodied. We have depth on the D, and Burkes sees a pressing need to bolster the size of the forward lines. Is he the guy we need? I'll leave that for some of you guys to decide.

Well, Burke has mentioned that, something like, a '22 year old for a 22 year old' could happen so that's worth consideration but I'm pretty sure that was aside from his far more pressing desire, that of a top six with size and who's a successful playoff performer, I don't think JVR really fits that, he might but he hasn't yet.

Combined with cap questions I think it's a low priority consideration.
 
I think Schenn for Van Riemsdyk and philie's first would be a good deal but I'm reluctant to deal Schenn straight up.  I like Riemsdyk as a player and I like his potential, I don't like his salary as I really don't think he has done anything to earn it up to this point. 
 
Tigger said:
Bullfrog said:
No way you're getting JVR + a 1st rounder for Schenn.

Could you get him for Aulie and a good prospect/pick? I wonder...

nawh I like Aulie and given Burke's comments on him during the Phaneuf trade, I think Burke likes Aulie too much for someone of Van Reimsdyk's calibur.  A game changer (getzlaf) would have to be coming our way to deal Aulie.
 
McPwnage said:
Tigger said:
Bullfrog said:
No way you're getting JVR + a 1st rounder for Schenn.

Could you get him for Aulie and a good prospect/pick? I wonder...

nawh I like Aulie and given Burke's comments on him during the Phaneuf trade, I think Burke likes Aulie too much for someone of Van Reimsdyk's calibur.  A game changer (getzlaf) would have to be coming our way to deal Aulie.

I appreciate what you've said, gratuitous you, but what if it was Aulie and a 1st? What if it's Aulie and Colborne?
 
Maple Leafs in talks for JVR - "Schenn not part of discussion" - Dreger during the intermission of the Montreal Boston game.
 
McPwnage said:
wouldn't do it, I like Aulie and Colborne too much.
One thing that I don't think that has been mentioned yet is..Schenn &Riemsdyk,plus others in a 3 way trade with Anahein to get the big center here.
 

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