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DarrenDreger: Don't be surprised if Burke meets with Schenn today. If deal doesn't go down soon, I expect Burke will tell Luke its not happening.

 

[Coderaspberry]

I think I would probably DO a Schenn for JVR trade straight up (or with an intangible thrown in somewhere), but I struggle to see Philly's desire to do so.

Yes, they need D, but they need veteran D to help fill the void left by Pronger and take some of the pressure off of the other vets.  The names the media mentioned like Suter and Gleason seem much more reasonable to me.

I think if Philly is going to move a significant asset like JVR, they'd want established help that bolsters their playoff drive intentions.  That's not a knock against Schenn, as he's fairly established in the league, but he's still got holes in his game and is still making a noticeable amount of "growing pain" mistakes - not exactly what a contending team trades a big young forward with unknown ceiling for.

I could see Philly being interested in Schenn (why wouldn't a team be?), but I think if we're talking in terms of a JVR swap, they're more interested in a package that includes at least one other d-man, most likely Gunnarsson.  While that's pretty tempting, Gunnar is so quietly solid for the Leafs I'm not sure trading him would be good for the team this year.

I say all that to say this - as much as I'd like it, I'm not sure the pieces line up for either team to make a trade like this.

 

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DarrenDreger: Don't be surprised if Burke meets with Schenn today. If deal doesn't go down soon, I expect Burke will tell Luke its not happening.

What the hell does that even mean? Burke might meet with Schenn today to tell him the rumors are true, but if they aren't you won't be going anywhere? Not really sure how to decipher that tweet Dreger....

 

[Zee]

DarrenDreger: Don't be surprised if Burke meets with Schenn today. If deal doesn't go down soon, I expect Burke will tell Luke its not happening.

What the hell does that even mean? Burke might meet with Schenn today to tell him the rumors are true, but if they aren't you won't be going anywhere? Not really sure how to decipher that tweet Dreger....

I suppose it means the rumours are true enough that Burke might deal him if the right deal comes along, but if it doesn't Burke wants to put his mind at ease?  Seems strange to me too.

 

[Bill_Berg]

DarrenDreger: Don't be surprised if Burke meets with Schenn today. If deal doesn't go down soon, I expect Burke will tell Luke its not happening.

What the hell does that even mean? Burke might meet with Schenn today to tell him the rumors are true, but if they aren't you won't be going anywhere? Not really sure how to decipher that tweet Dreger....

I suppose it means the rumours are true enough that Burke might deal him if the right deal comes along, but if it doesn't Burke wants to put his mind at ease?  Seems strange to me too.

I took from it that if Burke can't make the deal soon, he won't make it at all. So if the trade deadline is nearing, Schenn will know he won't be going anywhere. Burke has said a few times that he doesn't like deadline deals.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Could the Flyers even fit Schenn under the cap?  I went to capgeek and my head started to spin after a few minutes.  I know they have LTI relief with Pronger out, not sure how the entire thing works, since you can't "bank"  cap space for players on LTI.

If the Leafs trade Schenn for JVR, where does he slot in? 

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Also, Luke Schenn has some sort of modified no trade clause.

 

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DarrenDreger: Don't be surprised if Burke meets with Schenn today. If deal doesn't go down soon, I expect Burke will tell Luke its not happening.

What the hell does that even mean? Burke might meet with Schenn today to tell him the rumors are true, but if they aren't you won't be going anywhere? Not really sure how to decipher that tweet Dreger....

I suppose it means the rumours are true enough that Burke might deal him if the right deal comes along, but if it doesn't Burke wants to put his mind at ease?  Seems strange to me too.

I took from it that if Burke can't make the deal soon, he won't make it at all. So if the trade deadline is nearing, Schenn will know he won't be going anywhere. Burke has said a few times that he doesn't like deadline deals.

Or I guess, using Dreger as a metaphorical cannon, it could be a shot across Holgrems bow in order to put pressure on him to make a decision.

 

[Erndog]

DarrenDreger: Don't be surprised if Burke meets with Schenn today. If deal doesn't go down soon, I expect Burke will tell Luke its not happening.

I don't get it?

"Hey Luke, good news.  We didn't make the deal today, so you're staying with us."

or

"Hey Luke, you are in fact being discussed in an exchange for JVR... if it doesnt happen soon though, we are going to keep you."


I honestly don't understand that tweet.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Also, Luke Schenn has some sort of modified no trade clause.

He has a NTC, but I don't think it kicks in until the final year of his contract.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't get it?

"Hey Luke, good news.  We didn't make the deal today, so you're staying with us."

or

"Hey Luke, you are in fact being discussed in an exchange for JVR... if it doesnt happen soon though, we are going to keep you."


I honestly don't understand that tweet.

I really get the feeling Schenn isn't actually involved in the deal, and, if a trade goes down, it will show that to him, but, otherwise, Burke's going to assure him that the rumours about him being on the move aren't accurate.

 

[Beowulf]

I hope it's not a Kulemin for JVR swap, that would definitely be a downgrade for the Leafs.

JVR doesn't kill penalties at all and is at best an equally physical player.

I have no idea about JVRs work ethic, but we all know how hard Kule works and from the interviews after last game, Wilson and the players know that too.

The only thing JVR has on Kule is "potential", but as someone else posted, Kule's upside has been documented as a 30-30 player; whether he can get there again remains to be seen, but that is his upside. JVR hasn't come near that yet.

I would not do that deal.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

I don't get it?

"Hey Luke, good news.  We didn't make the deal today, so you're staying with us."

or

"Hey Luke, you are in fact being discussed in an exchange for JVR... if it doesnt happen soon though, we are going to keep you."


I honestly don't understand that tweet.

I really get the feeling Schenn isn't actually involved in the deal, and, if a trade goes down, it will show that to him, but, otherwise, Burke's going to assure him that the rumours about him being on the move aren't accurate.

That or telling him he's planning on moving him. The tweet seemed to suggest he'd make a deal and sit down with Schenn to let him know he's gone, or not make a deal and let him know he's staying.

I get the feeling Schenn isn't in the deal either way but that's just me.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

I hope it's not a Kulemin for JVR swap, that would definitely be a downgrade for the Leafs.

JVR doesn't kill penalties at all and is at best an equally physical player.

I have no idea about JVRs work ethic, but we all know how hard Kule works and from the interviews after last game, Wilson and the players know that too.

The only thing JVR has on Kule is "potential", but as someone else posted, Kule's upside has been documented as a 30-30 player; whether he can get there again remains to be seen, but that is his upside. JVR hasn't come near that yet.

I would not do that deal.

JVR for Kulemin deal makes little sense. Feels like a lateral move. It wouldn't make the Leafs better, just different.

 

[maplesyrup]

I hope it's not a Kulemin for JVR swap, that would definitely be a downgrade for the Leafs.

JVR doesn't kill penalties at all and is at best an equally physical player.

I have no idea about JVRs work ethic, but we all know how hard Kule works and from the interviews after last game, Wilson and the players know that too.

The only thing JVR has on Kule is "potential", but as someone else posted, Kule's upside has been documented as a 30-30 player; whether he can get there again remains to be seen, but that is his upside. JVR hasn't come near that yet.

I would not do that deal.

JVR for Kulemin deal makes little sense. Feels like a lateral move. It wouldn't make the Leafs better, just different.

For sure. I'm thinking Lupul/Kessel, and JVR/Kulemin bookending the top two lines would certainly be a nice combination of size and skill. 

 

[Sudafederov]

I hope it's not a Kulemin for JVR swap, that would definitely be a downgrade for the Leafs.

JVR doesn't kill penalties at all and is at best an equally physical player.

I have no idea about JVRs work ethic, but we all know how hard Kule works and from the interviews after last game, Wilson and the players know that too.

The only thing JVR has on Kule is "potential", but as someone else posted, Kule's upside has been documented as a 30-30 player; whether he can get there again remains to be seen, but that is his upside. JVR hasn't come near that yet.

I would not do that deal.

JVR for Kulemin deal makes little sense. Feels like a lateral move. It wouldn't make the Leafs better, just different.

If we get JVR, then I'm guessing there is another shoe to drop involving Kulemin.

 

[lamajama]

Yeesh. 1040 in Vancouver  : is talking like it's a done deal in a few
hours - Schenn for JVR.

 

[Champ Kind]

I hope it's not a Kulemin for JVR swap, that would definitely be a downgrade for the Leafs.

JVR doesn't kill penalties at all and is at best an equally physical player.

I have no idea about JVRs work ethic, but we all know how hard Kule works and from the interviews after last game, Wilson and the players know that too.

The only thing JVR has on Kule is "potential", but as someone else posted, Kule's upside has been documented as a 30-30 player; whether he can get there again remains to be seen, but that is his upside. JVR hasn't come near that yet.

I would not do that deal.

I haven't seen that deal suggested anywhere and it certainly doesn't match up to Burke's cryptic messaging as the Schenn - JVR deal.

As far as JVR goes, I do the deal straight up without much thought.  There are a lot of 'top dogs' in Philadelphia and clearly JVR, like Lupul in Anaheim, isn't getting the top flight opportunity like he would in Toronto.

From Philadelphia's perspective, I have to believe there's cache in uniting the Schenn brothers.  I also think that Schenn likely fits in nicely between the high end available d-men (Suter) and the good-not-great ones (Gleason).  Although, truth be told, if I'm Holmgren I would try to strike a deal for Gleason as I think he plays more of a 'Broadstreet' game.

 

[Champ Kind]

Yeesh. 1040 in Vancouver  : is talking like it's a done deal in a few
hours - Schenn for JVR.

File tampering charges on Gillis 

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Where's the Kulemin stuff coming from? The Flyers are forward heavy, they need a defenseman, not another forward IMO. I think that if they do a trade with the Leafs, it will almost definitely be a defenseman leaving Toronto.

If this is all just speculation on players that could be traded, I think it's probably Grabo that gets traded before kulemin would I think.

I think it's Franson + that will go for JVR, if we somehow get him out of Philly.