Is Burke Handicapping Himself?

[maplesyrup]

 

[Bender]

This has turned into one of the best threads in recent memory  ;D

 

[Kin]

Tampa and LeCavalier

That's probably the best example but with that said:

A) Any reports about the Lightning trying to move him have been unconfirmed rumours
B) We have no idea what the details of any such discussions may have been

I mean, for the most, part these contracts seem to moveable. Even Luongo has teams interested in him but the deal seems held up by the fact that Gillis wants an unreasonable return for him. The idea that these contracts are terrible albatrosses are purely speculative.

 

[L K]

Some teams are finding out it is very difficult to move big contracts, especially when the GMs want to change the makeup of those teams by trying to trade the players with the big contracts.

What teams are those? Who is having trouble moving someone with a big contract?

Tampa and LeCavalier

Aside from media trade rumors and that supposed deal the Leafs almost had for him a million years ago, I don't think he has really been on the market.

 

[Joe S.]

Tampa and LeCavalier

That's probably the best example but with that said:

A) Any reports about the Lightning trying to move him have been unconfirmed rumours
B) We have no idea what the details of any such discussions may have been

I mean, for the most, part these contracts seem to moveable. Even Luongo has teams interested in him but the deal seems held up by the fact that Gillis wants an unreasonable return for him. The idea that these contracts are terrible albatrosses are purely speculative.

What's the difference between a confirmed and unconfirmed rumour?

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Sure, I can't say for certain that LeCavalier has been shopped, but it's not rocket science to think that Yzerman wants that contract gone. He can't be considered in any capacity as good price performance.

I also think that with Luongo, it is his contract that has kept the number of suitors down to almost 2-3 teams and even those teams appear to be leery of that 10 marriage.

The two best examples of those contracts being able to be moved is obviously Richards and Carter, but they were both moved early on in their contract and they are young. My point was more around players with those contracts, who's play has gone south and I can't think of one that has been moved. We're never going to have good authority about who is being shopped for sure.

 

[Kin]

What's the difference between a confirmed and unconfirmed rumour?

Well, confirmation.

 

[Kin]

Sure, I can't say for certain that LeCavalier has been shopped, but it's not rocket science to think that Yzerman wants that contract gone. He can't be considered in any capacity as good price performance.

There's a big gap between "this player is available" and "we're willing to trade him for nothing". It's reasonable to assume that Yzerman may have made Lecavalier available at some point but it's not anything close to a sure thing that Yzerman was willing to trade him for a 7th round pick or future considerations.

I also think that with Luongo, it is his contract that has kept the number of suitors down to almost 2-3 teams and even those teams appear to be leery of that 10 marriage.

Why various teams are or aren't interested is more complete conjecture on your part. The point remains, Gillis could probably get a deal done if he was inclined to just be dumping the salary. The Luongo deal does not appear to be a handcuff in any meaningful sense.

My point was more around players with those contracts, who's play has gone south and I can't think of one that has been moved.

That's because, the reality is, that really hasn't happened much. Most guys are tradeable in this league. Scott Gomez got dealt with five years left on a 7 year/51 miilion dollar deal after a 58 point season and got good value in return.

The guys who are signing these deals, for the most part, are really good players who've responded by...playing really well.

 

[Kin]

Just for a word about Lecavalier I think the comment about him not living up to his contract, which I sort of agreed with instinctively, seems kind of overblown.

In the three years on his new deal Lecavalier has put up these numbers:

24 g, 46 a in 82 GP
25 g, 29 a in 65 GP
22g, 27 a in 64 GP

All in total that makes for a per 82 game average of 28 g, 40 a. Throw in a playoff run with 19 points in 18 games and that's not terrible performance, especially as he's become the Lightning's #2 centre.

What would a 28 goal, 68 point centre get on the open market? 6.5 million? 7? He's had some bad luck with injuries but he's been a pretty good player over the course of his deal.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

What would a 28 goal, 68 point centre get on the open market? 6.5 million? 7? He's had some bad luck with injuries but he's been a pretty good player over the course of his deal.

We'll see how the last 7 years go.

 

[Joe S.]

What's the difference between a confirmed and unconfirmed rumor?

Well, confirmation.

Then it's not a rumor anymore.

 

[Kin]

Then it's not a rumor anymore.

You know you've used two different spellings of the word now, right?

 

[Joe S.]

Then it's not a rumor anymore.

You know you've used two different spellings of the word now, right?

Autocorrect...

 

[Kin]

Autocorrect...

Well, it's not the best nickname I've ever had but I'll take it.

 

[louisstamos]

Who is Buke?

All this time, we've been debating whether this is a rebuild, a retool or a reload.  It turns out it's a rebuke.

boooooo.

Were you saying booooo or boooourke?

bourke bourke bourke!

Just wanted to throw out that threads like this never cease to actually laugh out loud...often at work.  Love you guys.

 

[Deebo]

.The two best examples of those contracts being able to be moved is obviously Richards and Carter, but they were both moved early on in their contract and they are young.

Campbell and Gomez come to mind as more akin to the Lecavalier situation.

 

[Corn Flake]

.The two best examples of those contracts being able to be moved is obviously Richards and Carter, but they were both moved early on in their contract and they are young.

Campbell and Gomez come to mind as more akin to the Lecavalier situation.

Gomez was moved because the receiving GM is completely incompetent, and Campbell was re-acquired by the guy who signed him to that huge deal and had about $30 mil to spend to get to the cap floor.  He also had a fair bit left in the tank and was a pretty solid player, albeit on a crazy contract.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

.The two best examples of those contracts being able to be moved is obviously Richards and Carter, but they were both moved early on in their contract and they are young.

Campbell and Gomez come to mind as more akin to the Lecavalier situation.

Gomez was moved because the receiving GM is completely incompetent, and Campbell was re-acquired by the guy who signed him to that huge deal and had about $30 mil to spend to get to the cap floor.  He also had a fair bit left in the tank and was a pretty solid player, albeit on a crazy contract.

That's about it, and he regretted it after I'm sure.

 

[dappleganger]

.The two best examples of those contracts being able to be moved is obviously Richards and Carter, but they were both moved early on in their contract and they are young.

Campbell and Gomez come to mind as more akin to the Lecavalier situation.

Neither the Campbell or Gomez contracts I would describe as "cap-circumventing".

 

[Kin]

Gomez was moved because the receiving GM is completely incompetent

Let's assume that's true for argument's sake. Won't there always be GM's who make bad decisions? Won't we probably always have teams who are struggling to get to the cap floor(assuming it survives)?

I mean, I'm someone who thinks the Luongo contract is terrible and shouldn't be traded for by anyone but, hey, people are interested.