Leafs Draft 21st Overall - Overall Draft Order

[Corn Flake]

edit: With the exception of 2006 (and the recent years that can't be judged yet) the Leafs have had some pretty terrible drafts in the past decade. It's funny seeing so many names that we were excited about. Kukumberg was going to be such a steal.

2003 and 2004.  :'( Brutal years. 

Having no high picks and nothing of significance come out of later rounds probably did more damage to the prospect cupboard than any of the actual trades of young players.  2007 is a good example of a  draft year where they had no high picks but still managed to end up with two good players. 

There have been some good drafts and some bad ones for sure and yeah we do tend to get excited about prospects well before we probably should at times. I had to throw away my DiDomenico jersey.

I think overall at least in the last decade they have done much better with 1st round picks (when they have one) and have unearthed good players in later rounds a bit more consistently.

To me, the 1st round pick needs to produce a solid NHL player, hopefully your 2nd rounder as well, and whatever you get in subsequent rounds is gravy.. 1 more NHL player of some sort. 

Overall if we just had more 1sts, things would have been in far better shape the past 5 years.

 

[KoHo]

When is the last time the Leafs have had this many of their own picks, and a pick in every single round?  Only the 4th pick was moved in the Lombardi deal but they have a 4th back in the Beauchemin deal.

Trippy, and a sign of philosophical change.

I was curious, 1998 was the last year they had a pick in every round. Although they would have had a pick in every round in 2011 but they traded their 2nd to move up in the 1st round (where they picked twice). And of course there's no guarantee that they'll end up picking in every round this year.

edit: With the exception of 2006 (and the recent years that can't be judged yet) the Leafs have had some pretty terrible drafts in the past decade. It's funny seeing so many names that we were excited about. Kukumberg was going to be such a steal.

1998, the year they drafted Luca Creda in the first round. Sigh.

He was picked 2 spots ahead of Havlat. 

 

[Champ Kind]

edit: With the exception of 2006 (and the recent years that can't be judged yet) the Leafs have had some pretty terrible drafts in the past decade. It's funny seeing so many names that we were excited about. Kukumberg was going to be such a steal.

2008 looked like it was going to be huge for the team. Hayes, Stefanovich, Champagne and Flaake were all supposed to be huge steals. Not so much for that, huh?

Busta, I've always wondered the correct pronounciation of 'Flaake' (Jerome, I believe?).  Is it pronounced much in the same way as our own 'Corn Flake' or is this a flake / flaake of a different colour?

 

[Corn Flake]

1998, the year they drafted Luca Creda in the first round. Sigh.

He was picked 2 spots ahead of Havlat.

If not for the heart condition, I vaguely recall Cereda on a reasonably solid track to the NHL.  But that whole draft year was a bust. A whopping total of 3 NHL games played from the entire lot.

Those years were some rotten luck in the health dept. Bryan Berard's eye injury happened not long after.

 

[bustaheims]

Busta, I've always wondered the correct pronounciation of 'Flaake' (Jerome, I believe?).  Is it pronounced much in the same way as our own 'Corn Flake' or is this a flake / flaake of a different colour?

Honestly, I have no idea. I just know he was thought to have had solid NHL potential.

 

[lamajama]

Would Franson, our 2013 first round pick (or second plus lesser prospect) and the rights to Bozak be fair for Stastny? Figure that it gives the Avs a chance to upgrade their D and prospect pool while at least giving the option to replace Stastny for a year while waiting for prospects to develop.

Well, keeping in mind trades typically aren't about what's "fair" and more whether or not it's the best deal a team can make, I'd be surprised if Colorado would lean at that kind of a trade because Franson could ask for a lot of money and we know that Bozak is looking to cash in so the idea of adding them both probably means that Colorado would be adding payroll which is not what I think they want out of trading Stastny.

I think the AVs would jump at Franson + the 2013 first round pick.  On the other hand, if I'm Nonis I don't make that deal for a $6.6M centre who's underperformed in a year where the cap is dropping 10%.

i don't see any deal short of a low end draft pick and middling prospect for
an over-paid and declining player.

While I don't think the Avs will give him away, I agree with this.  If anything, I think some salary would have go back the other way.  Something to the effect of Liles, Percy + 2nd rounder for Stastny.

Whether you believe it's his skills that are declining or his place in the line-up is probably what will determine whether you'd want to trade for him at all.

And, even then, the contract is an issue. There's only a year left, so he might be a pricey rental... Or the Leafs would make the trade because Stastny's thought to be a long-term solution to the #1C, in which case the next contract is an issue. Can he be re-signed? Will his presence work with Grabbo and Kadri already down the middle?

From Colorado's perspective, I wonder how simple it is. He's on a big contract, and he seems not to be in the team's plans... But, with the coaching change, that might change somewhat.

Late to this thread but I know Stastny has been bandied about for a few years here and I'm trying to figure out why. I pay a lot of attention to the NHL and have rarely heard his name AT ALL when the Avs are mentioned - in terms of performance, valuable member of the team etc. Well actually I have occasionally read about his contract and how high it is - but nothing regarding his performance as a hockey player - either good or bad for that matter.

So why is he "the answer" to our 1C problem? 

 

[KoHo]

Would Franson, our 2013 first round pick (or second plus lesser prospect) and the rights to Bozak be fair for Stastny? Figure that it gives the Avs a chance to upgrade their D and prospect pool while at least giving the option to replace Stastny for a year while waiting for prospects to develop.

Well, keeping in mind trades typically aren't about what's "fair" and more whether or not it's the best deal a team can make, I'd be surprised if Colorado would lean at that kind of a trade because Franson could ask for a lot of money and we know that Bozak is looking to cash in so the idea of adding them both probably means that Colorado would be adding payroll which is not what I think they want out of trading Stastny.

I think the AVs would jump at Franson + the 2013 first round pick.  On the other hand, if I'm Nonis I don't make that deal for a $6.6M centre who's underperformed in a year where the cap is dropping 10%.

i don't see any deal short of a low end draft pick and middling prospect for
an over-paid and declining player.

While I don't think the Avs will give him away, I agree with this.  If anything, I think some salary would have go back the other way.  Something to the effect of Liles, Percy + 2nd rounder for Stastny.

Whether you believe it's his skills that are declining or his place in the line-up is probably what will determine whether you'd want to trade for him at all.

And, even then, the contract is an issue. There's only a year left, so he might be a pricey rental... Or the Leafs would make the trade because Stastny's thought to be a long-term solution to the #1C, in which case the next contract is an issue. Can he be re-signed? Will his presence work with Grabbo and Kadri already down the middle?

From Colorado's perspective, I wonder how simple it is. He's on a big contract, and he seems not to be in the team's plans... But, with the coaching change, that might change somewhat.

Late to this thread but I know Stastny has been bandied about for a few years here and I'm trying to figure out why. I pay a lot of attention to the NHL and have rarely heard his name AT ALL when the Avs are mentioned - in terms of performance, valuable member of the team etc. Well actually I have occasionally read about his contract and how high it is - but nothing regarding his performance as a hockey player - either good or bad for that matter.

So why is he "the answer" to our 1C problem?

I don't think Stastny's "the answer" to our problem, but in a year with a weak UFA market, he's a player with only 1 year left who could probably be acquired for cheap. Depending on the price, he could be worth taking a flyer on. Could be the next Tim Connolly for all we know, but he'd be gone in a year if that were the case.

 

[mr grieves]

Would Franson, our 2013 first round pick (or second plus lesser prospect) and the rights to Bozak be fair for Stastny? Figure that it gives the Avs a chance to upgrade their D and prospect pool while at least giving the option to replace Stastny for a year while waiting for prospects to develop.

Well, keeping in mind trades typically aren't about what's "fair" and more whether or not it's the best deal a team can make, I'd be surprised if Colorado would lean at that kind of a trade because Franson could ask for a lot of money and we know that Bozak is looking to cash in so the idea of adding them both probably means that Colorado would be adding payroll which is not what I think they want out of trading Stastny.

I think the AVs would jump at Franson + the 2013 first round pick.  On the other hand, if I'm Nonis I don't make that deal for a $6.6M centre who's underperformed in a year where the cap is dropping 10%.

i don't see any deal short of a low end draft pick and middling prospect for
an over-paid and declining player.

While I don't think the Avs will give him away, I agree with this.  If anything, I think some salary would have go back the other way.  Something to the effect of Liles, Percy + 2nd rounder for Stastny.

Whether you believe it's his skills that are declining or his place in the line-up is probably what will determine whether you'd want to trade for him at all.

And, even then, the contract is an issue. There's only a year left, so he might be a pricey rental... Or the Leafs would make the trade because Stastny's thought to be a long-term solution to the #1C, in which case the next contract is an issue. Can he be re-signed? Will his presence work with Grabbo and Kadri already down the middle?

From Colorado's perspective, I wonder how simple it is. He's on a big contract, and he seems not to be in the team's plans... But, with the coaching change, that might change somewhat.

Late to this thread but I know Stastny has been bandied about for a few years here and I'm trying to figure out why. I pay a lot of attention to the NHL and have rarely heard his name AT ALL when the Avs are mentioned - in terms of performance, valuable member of the team etc. Well actually I have occasionally read about his contract and how high it is - but nothing regarding his performance as a hockey player - either good or bad for that matter.

So why is he "the answer" to our 1C problem?

I don't think Stastny's "the answer" to our problem, but in a year with a weak UFA market, he's a player with only 1 year left who could probably be acquired for cheap. Depending on the price, he could be worth taking a flyer on. Could be the next Tim Connolly for all we know, but he'd be gone in a year if that were the case.

I think a lot of it has to do with his potential availability and that Colorado and Toronto would make plausible trade partners. Colorado has been bringing in plenty of centers and pushing him farther down the depth chart than his skills would merit. They've a lot of salary tied up at C, and they need defense, which is a supposed strength of the Leafs org from which (we've been told) Burke/Nonis would be dealing.

But at least some of it has to do with his apparent abilities. He seems to be more of a playmaking center than the Leafs have had, so he might complement Kessel well. Apparently -- according the piece linked below -- the Leafs haven't had a center who's put up more than 30 assits since Kessel arrived; Stastny's done that (or been on pace to) in all 7 of his NHL seasons, managing over 45 in each of his first four seasons when he was playing ahead of Duchene, etc.

http://hopeinthebigsmoke.ca/?p=3715

 

[Bonsixx]

Not sure if anyone brought this up, or if anyone even cares, but Stastny tore up the world championships back in May. Seven goals and 15 points in 10 games, second overall in tournament scoring (behind some Finnish dude I never heard of).

 

[lamajama]

Ok - now I'm feeling a bit better  Thanks for the links and info.

 

[Kaberle15]

I wish they would make a move on PK Subban's brother, with the 2nd rounder, But I don't think he will be available at 51st.

 

[hap_leaf]

So what are the chances we take Warren (Rychel)'s kid or Tie's kid?
I don't know much about either one...but notice they are ranked around where our first pick would be.

Other bloodlines:
I see Todd Bertuzzi's nephew is up for grabs. 
Anthony Mantha is the grandson of former NHLer Andre Provonost and great nephew of Andre's brothers Marcel, Claude and Jean.

The Draft is such an exciting crap-shoot, I figure why not take someone with some pedigree?

 

[Redleaf]

So what are the chances we take Warren (Rychel)'s kid or Tie's kid?
I don't know much about either one...but notice they are ranked around where our first pick would be.

Other bloodlines:
I see Todd Bertuzzi's nephew is up for grabs. 
Anthony Mantha is the grandson of former NHLer Andre Provonost and great nephew of Andre's brothers Marcel, Claude and Jean.

The Draft is such an exciting crap-shoot, I figure why not take someone with some pedigree?

I'd take Pauline Gretzky. Talk about Pedigree.

 

[louisstamos]

So what are the chances we take Warren (Rychel)'s kid or Tie's kid?
I don't know much about either one...but notice they are ranked around where our first pick would be.

Other bloodlines:
I see Todd Bertuzzi's nephew is up for grabs. 
Anthony Mantha is the grandson of former NHLer Andre Provonost and great nephew of Andre's brothers Marcel, Claude and Jean.

The Draft is such an exciting crap-shoot, I figure why not take someone with some pedigree?

I'd take Pauline Gretzky. Talk about Pedigree.

 

[mc]

So what are the chances we take Warren (Rychel)'s kid or Tie's kid?
I don't know much about either one...but notice they are ranked around where our first pick would be.

Other bloodlines:
I see Todd Bertuzzi's nephew is up for grabs. 
Anthony Mantha is the grandson of former NHLer Andre Provonost and great nephew of Andre's brothers Marcel, Claude and Jean.

The Draft is such an exciting crap-shoot, I figure why not take someone with some pedigree?

I'd take Pauline Gretzky. Talk about Pedigree.

Great ones

 

[mc]

Bob Mckenzie's final draft order:
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9420

Has Max Domi at # 10.

I think Max is gonna be another Brad Marchand. Sucks Leafs cant get him at # 21.

 

[bustaheims]

Bob Mckenzie's final draft order:
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9420

Has Max Domi at # 10.

I think Max is gonna be another Brad Marchand. Sucks Leafs cant get him at # 21.

Just because McKenzie ranks him 10th doesn't guarantee he won't be available to the Leafs at 21. Teams often have wildly different rankings for individual players than those not employed by NHL franchises.

THat being said, it is unlikely he'll be available at 21, but, he could very well be available around 15, and the Leafs could very well trade up to get him.

 

[bustaheims]

mirtle: As part of conditions on Lupul deal, Leafs will receive Ducks fourth round pick in draft (117th). Condition made it either fourth or sixth.

 

[Redleaf]

mirtle: As part of conditions on Lupul deal, Leafs will receive Ducks fourth round pick in draft (117th). Condition made it either fourth or sixth.

The gift that just keeps giving.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

mirtle: As part of conditions on Lupul deal, Leafs will receive Ducks fourth round pick in draft (117th). Condition made it either fourth or sixth.

Any way you could post the picks we have in this draft (I'm not resourceful enough to find it all out).

Or is it as simple as we have all our own except we have Anaheim's 4th instead of our own....