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Leafs Draft 21st Overall - Overall Draft Order

Chev-boyar-sky said:
bustaheims said:
mirtle: As part of conditions on Lupul deal, Leafs will receive Ducks fourth round pick in draft (117th). Condition made it either fourth or sixth.

Any way you could post the picks we have in this draft (I'm not resourceful enough to find it all out).

Or is it as simple as we have all our own except we have Anaheim's 4th instead of our own....

For everyone's reference:

Leafs are drafting:
21st (1st round)
51st (2nd round)
82nd (3rd round)
117th (4th round, via Anaheim)
142nd (5th round)
172nd (6th round)
202nd (7th round)

So yeah, all of the picks are their original ones, with the exception of the fourth round. Leafs original pick went to Nashville in the Franson trade...
 
This is a good read about Morrison and the scouting process...


http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=426416
 
Stickytape said:
Man, it still feels weird picking 21st

Yeah. I kinda wish we were picking Mackinnon. Then again, I don't really want to be that far away from competing for a spot.
 
Last ten 21 overall picks:

2012 Calgary Mark Jankowski (played college last year)
2011 Ottawa Stefan Noesen  (played Plymoth Whalers last year)
2010 Detroit Riley Sheahan (played one game with Red Wings last year)
2009 Columbus John Moore (traded to NY Rangers, played 13 games)
2008 Washington Anton Gustafsson (in Sweden)
2007 Edmonton Riley Nash (traded to Carolina played 32 games last year)
2006 NY Rangers Bob Sanguinetti (traded to Carolina, played 37 games - 2 goals)
2005 Toronto Tuukka Rask (traded to Boston...yada yada yada)
2004 Colorado Wojtek Wolski (bounced around from a few NHL teams, Capitals)
2003 Boston Mark Stuart (bounced around, Jets, played 2 games)
 
Gardiner51 said:
Zee said:
That's cause we traded our 1st round pick (#9 overall)

A.k.a Dougie Hamilton.

I think that's what the original poster was getting at with "it's weird picking 21".  It's only weird cause the Leafs had a good season and are actually picking 21 on the merit of their record, not "we had a terrible season and should be picking 9th overall but we traded it away".  That year everyone was upset that we didn't have a first round pick at 9 when we should have.
 
Yeah, that's what I was driving at: in other years where we've picked late, it's because we got something else in a trade.  This year, we're 21st and that's kind of it.  It's that odd "so this is how the other half live" sort of feeling.
 
So who are some players we're thinking/hoping the Leafs can snag at 21?  Personally, I'm hoping for one of Rychel, Fucale, or Hartman.
 
Mr. Leaf said:
So who are some players we're thinking/hoping the Leafs can snag at 21?  Personally, I'm hoping for one of Rychel, Fucale, or Hartman.

Well, drafting 21st I think the Leafs should gamble a little bit. Going safe way brings nothing - see the list of the players taken 21st few post above. Very unimpressive list. My approach would be high risk-high reward. My choice - if available - would be Valentin Zykov. He adapted unusually quickly to North American style, has traditional Russian puckhadling skill set but he is not shy to battle along the boards, or simply outmuscle the defender and get physical. He is neither pure sniper nor power forward but combines pretty well both. He scored 40goals in 67 games in Q and was quite impressive in playoffs in Q as well - cementing his work ethic reputation as many Russians sort of dissappear in playoffs, however, he did not. Many compare him to Johann Franzen of Detroit Red Wings.
 
drummond said:
Mr. Leaf said:
So who are some players we're thinking/hoping the Leafs can snag at 21?  Personally, I'm hoping for one of Rychel, Fucale, or Hartman.

Well, drafting 21st I think the Leafs should gamble a little bit. Going safe way brings nothing - see the list of the players taken 21st few post above. Very unimpressive list. My approach would be high risk-high reward. My choice - if available - would be Valentin Zykov. He adapted unusually quickly to North American style, has traditional Russian puckhadling skill set but he is not shy to battle along the boards, or simply outmuscle the defender and get physical. He is neither pure sniper nor power forward but combines pretty well both. He scored 40goals in 67 games in Q and was quite impressive in playoffs in Q as well - cementing his work ethic reputation as many Russians sort of dissappear in playoffs, however, he did not. Many compare him to Johann Franzen of Detroit Red Wings.

There was an article in the Star today about the odds of success by pick #:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2013/06/29/nhl_draft_its_all_guesswork_professor_says.html

"A top-10 pick works out 88 per cent of the time.
An 11-to-30 pick works out about 65 per cent of the time.
A pick in rounds 2 and 3 works out about 22 per cent of the time.
A pick in rounds 4 to 7 works out about 12 per cent of the time."

How they define "works out" is unclear but it's still somewhat interesting.

The article also speaks to the idea (myth) that Detroit is the "great late round chooser".

Based on a 65% chance of the pick "working out" (which likely means the player sees NHL games, though the amount of those in unclear), I'm not sure they should go too off the board, as I think there'll be good/decent players left.

Are they likely to find a 1st line player @ #21 in this draft? I kind of doubt it, but there's potential for solid 2nd liners, great 3rd liners and potential top pairing type D-men (depending on how many are drafted before the Leafs pick).


 
Leafaholic99 said:
Will there be a link anywhere online to watch this?

Try these:

http://atdhe.eu/hockey

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=209238&part=sports

The last one should be up 1 hr before the draft starts (up at 2 p.m.)
 

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