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The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread

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applecheeks said:
He really didn't have much to work with, agreed. So you still find negatives and it seems you'll always look for those faults until when.....they bring home the cup? We all want it, baby steps dude. or do you think we can do this faster?  anyway I look at it, probably 2 or 3 years before we compete seriously for the cup. IMO.
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Once we start beating the Bruins on a consistent basis is the time we turn into contenders IMO. At least 2 seasons off.
 
RedLeaf said:
applecheeks said:
He really didn't have much to work with, agreed. So you still find negatives and it seems you'll always look for those faults until when.....they bring home the cup? We all want it, baby steps dude. or do you think we can do this faster?  anyway I look at it, probably 2 or 3 years before we compete seriously for the cup. IMO.
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Once we start beating the Bruins on a consistent basis is the time we turn into contenders IMO. At least 2 seasons off.
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I dunno, Carolina swept the season series against them, personally I don't look at that as being terribly meaningful.

The Leafs won last years season series 4-2...

Edit to add: I do agree that the Leafs are probably two years-ish-y away from really contending.
 
I believe they are at least two years out, but with a few good FA pick-ups and a couple of our prospects maturing a bit early, we could make it real interesting. In the mean time, all the playoff expierience we can get can only help in the long term.  I like what I see and hope we can gel going into these 2012 playoffs on a sprint. The players seem to like and respect their coach. But, not everybody thinks that, and that is their opinion. Not mine.
 
Just finished watching the 'at the half' segment on 'the coach' channel at the Leafs website, pretty good interview with Henny and Wilson on a variety of players and subjects including some comments about how they handled Setoguchi in San Jose, why Gunnar is so effective ( compares him to 'pickles' ) and why the pk and times short handed has been so different recently.
 
I watch the Habs executing their game plan successfully.  The announcers comment about the Hab's game plan.  And what is Toronto doing?  The same damn thing over and over unsuccessfully.  Maybe tonight Wilson will view the footage and figure it out.
 
moon111 said:
I watch the Habs executing their game plan successfully.  The announcers comment about the Hab's game plan.  And what is Toronto doing?  The same damn thing over and over unsuccessfully.  Maybe tonight Wilson will view the footage and figure it out.
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That's for sure. Regardless of standings just look at Ottawa and Edmonton and how much they have improved in 1 year! we have been flogging this dead mule with multiple player changes for 3 years now and still have hardly shown any improvement in team play and once again heading in the wrong direction. What is the common denominator over the past few seasons?
 
cap44 said:
moon111 said:
I watch the Habs executing their game plan successfully.  The announcers comment about the Hab's game plan.  And what is Toronto doing?  The same damn thing over and over unsuccessfully.  Maybe tonight Wilson will view the footage and figure it out.
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That's for sure. Regardless of standings just look at Ottawa and Edmonton and how much they have improved in 1 year! we have been flogging this dead mule with multiple player changes for 3 years now and still have hardly shown any improvement in team play and once again heading in the wrong direction. What is the common denominator over the past few seasons?
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Oh jeez, not good news for the leafs when this thread is back...if the Leafs do miss the playoffs, at least Wilson is guaranteed (or ought to be) gone. It feels like they rely purely on their talent pool and speed. When teams play a proper system to neutralize this, the Leafs don't change anything. This has to sit on Wilson.
 
proteus2000 said:
cap44 said:
moon111 said:
I watch the Habs executing their game plan successfully.  The announcers comment about the Hab's game plan.  And what is Toronto doing?  The same damn thing over and over unsuccessfully.  Maybe tonight Wilson will view the footage and figure it out.
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That's for sure. Regardless of standings just look at Ottawa and Edmonton and how much they have improved in 1 year! we have been flogging this dead mule with multiple player changes for 3 years now and still have hardly shown any improvement in team play and once again heading in the wrong direction. What is the common denominator over the past few seasons?
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Oh jeez, not good news for the leafs when this thread is back...if the Leafs do miss the playoffs, at least Wilson is guaranteed (or ought to be) gone. It feels like they rely purely on their talent pool and speed. When teams play a proper system to neutralize this, the Leafs don't change anything. This has to sit on Wilson.
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Your right he is not adjusting to the way teams are playing his team. as a coach you must be able to counter the other teams play, this he is not doing, has he lost it as a coach,  Hmmmmm.....
 
It really is impressive when you consider how far the Oilers have come in just one year.  Why just last year they were the last place team in the NHL and this year they have rocketed all the way up to second last team in the NHL.  And they have done all this by only have the first overall pick in each of the last 2 seasons.  Meanwhile our totally crappy Leaf's are here with another season squandered away and are presently only 2 spots higher than last year and sitting in a play-off spot.  How they have failed us in this comparison!!!  I will concede the Senators but let's remember they only had one bad season and maybe a slight rebound this year??

Forgot to add that the Oiler's aren't that far away from having to re-sign all of these high draft picks either and that will be no fun for management.


cap44 said:
moon111 said:
I watch the Habs executing their game plan successfully.  The announcers comment about the Hab's game plan.  And what is Toronto doing?  The same damn thing over and over unsuccessfully.  Maybe tonight Wilson will view the footage and figure it out.
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That's for sure. Regardless of standings just look at Ottawa and Edmonton and how much they have improved in 1 year! we have been flogging this dead mule with multiple player changes for 3 years now and still have hardly shown any improvement in team play and once again heading in the wrong direction. What is the common denominator over the past few seasons?
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At 2-0 even I could tell the Leafs needed a wake up call. Call a timeout, change goalies, do SOMETHING in game to spark the team. Nope, he just rolls the lines and says "let's go!". Master motivator.
 
cap44 said:
moon111 said:
I watch the Habs executing their game plan successfully.  The announcers comment about the Hab's game plan.  And what is Toronto doing?  The same damn thing over and over unsuccessfully.  Maybe tonight Wilson will view the footage and figure it out.
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That's for sure. Regardless of standings just look at Ottawa and Edmonton and how much they have improved in 1 year! we have been flogging this dead mule with multiple player changes for 3 years now and still have hardly shown any improvement in team play and once again heading in the wrong direction. What is the common denominator over the past few seasons?
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You're right, the last 3 seasons the team has not improved at all in the standings.
 
As a very persistent Wilson critic I am giving him more than token credit in cleaning up the special teams.  Both were awful, and in the last month (2 months for the PP) they have become respectable.  I am especially impressed with how few penalties we are taking, and almost none of them stupid.  That's discipline, and if I am quick to blame him for things, I have to be fair and credit him for that.

The main problem we saw Saturday night, IMO, stems from 2 things, neither of which has to do with coaching: the lack of true leader, and the youth of the team.  They are not unrelated.  The 2 oldest guys on the team, Komisarek and Liles I believe, are not the kind to grab these kids (and they are still mostly that) by the collar.  We could have used somebody higher up the totem pole than Brown is to act that role on Saturday.  Phaneuf, I'm sorry to say, is not the answer as captain.

The 3rd problem on Saturday, Wilson's seeming failure to adjust in-game, I think is a true indictment of the coach.  He is susceptible to being out-coached, and a guy with his experience shouldn't be.  Granted, it's almost impossible for a fan to make this a credible charge -- we have no real idea what's going on on the bench.  But as far as I can see, it's still a problem.
 
So let's get this something out in the open.

We go from 65% PK in December to 100% PK in the past 6 weeks yet our record is about the same. This team really finds way to lose.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
As a very persistent Wilson critic I am giving him more than token credit in cleaning up the special teams.  Both were awful, and in the last month (2 months for the PP) they have become respectable.  I am especially impressed with how few penalties we are taking, and almost none of them stupid.  That's discipline, and if I am quick to blame him for things, I have to be fair and credit him for that.

The main problem we saw Saturday night, IMO, stems from 2 things, neither of which has to do with coaching: the lack of true leader, and the youth of the team.  They are not unrelated.  The 2 oldest guys on the team, Komisarek and Liles I believe, are not the kind to grab these kids (and they are still mostly that) by the collar.  We could have used somebody higher up the totem pole than Brown is to act that role on Saturday.  Phaneuf, I'm sorry to say, is not the answer as captain.

The 3rd problem on Saturday, Wilson's seeming failure to adjust in-game, I think is a true indictment of the coach.  He is susceptible to being out-coached, and a guy with his experience shouldn't be.  Granted, it's almost impossible for a fan to make this a credible charge -- we have no real idea what's going on on the bench.  But as far as I can see, it's still a problem.
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Certainly won't have Komsarek being any kind of influence in the room when he's not playing at all. He was supposed to be that but really he can't be at all when he's either not playing or struggling when he is playing.

Liles and Armstrong seem to be more of the lighter side of leadership, keeping the guys relaxed but right not it sure seems that is not a problem (but will become one if they keep losing).  Kessel and Lupul are expected to contribute as well but they aren't going to be screamers.  Grabbo strikes me as the only other guy in the leadership area who is intense enough to make some noise, but its probably not enough.

But no amount of leadership will close Reimer's leaky 5-hole.  If that wasn't a problem they still wouldn't have won on Saturday but it would have been 3-0 instead of 5-0. 
 
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
So let's get this something out in the open.

We go from 65% PK in December to 100% PK in the past 6 weeks yet our record is about the same. This team really finds way to lose.
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Yes, let's get something out in the open. The Leafs record at the end of 2011 was 18-15-5, for a winning % of .539. Since January 1st, they have a record of 10-7-1, for a winning % of .583. THe difference in those winning percentages represents 7-8 points over the course of a season - or, the difference between making the playoffs and being in the bottom 10. Not exactly "about the same," now is it?
 
bustaheims said:
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
So let's get this something out in the open.

We go from 65% PK in December to 100% PK in the past 6 weeks yet our record is about the same. This team really finds way to lose.
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Yes, let's get something out in the open. The Leafs record at the end of 2011 was 18-15-5, for a winning % of .539. Since January 1st, they have a record of 10-7-1, for a winning % of .583. THe difference in those winning percentages represents 7-8 points over the course of a season - or, the difference between making the playoffs and being in the bottom 10. Not exactly "about the same," now is it?
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True it is an improvement but not as dramatic as I expected.
 
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