Unofficial 2013-2014 Armchair GM Thread

[bustaheims]

I'm not sure either but I'd say that when it comes to the new brand of free agency we should be prepared for more and more reactions to Clarkson-type deals from the league. Three million a year makes sense to me as reasonable which is why I wouldn't be surprised to see his deal exceed that from anywhere from 1 to 1.5 million.

Possibly, but, at the same time, Clarkson did have a 30 goal season on his resume, whereas Komarov's NHL resume is fairly barren. I think he'll fall more into Boyd Gordon/Joel Ward territory.

 

[Kin]

Possibly, but, at the same time, Clarkson did have a 30 goal season on his resume, whereas Komarov's NHL resume is fairly barren. I think he'll fall more into Boyd Gordon/Joel Ward territory.

I didn't mean Clarkson-type deal as in of a similar price and term but rather a deal that reflected  the way free agency is set up to maximize the deals of some players and not others. I don't think anyone would seriously doubt that Grabovski didn't have a better NHL resume than Gordon or Ward but a consensus 1st choice for the best 3rd line winger is going to be driven up by competing bidders whereas the #6 center won't.

 

[bustaheims]

I didn't mean Clarkson-type deal as in of a similar price and term but rather a deal that reflected  the way free agency is set up to maximize the deals of some players and not others. I don't think anyone would seriously doubt that Grabovski didn't have a better NHL resume than Gordon or Ward but a consensus 1st choice for the best 3rd line winger is going to be driven up by competing bidders whereas the #6 center won't.

That's true, but, I don't think Komarov is the consensus choice for best anything. My guess is he's seen more as an excellent 4th liner, which would put his base peace at ~$2M, with the UFA bidding war taking it to ~$3M.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@Michael_Traikos

To everyone saying they want the Leafs to re-sign Leo Komarov, understand it will cost top-6 money for a bottom-6 forward. Worth it?

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, if he's looking for top 6 type money, he's not going to be playing in the NHL. I mean, I like the guy a lot, but I don't think he's shown anywhere close to enough for an NHL team to give him what most people would consider top 6 dollars. He'll come in at around $3M per, which is 3rd line money these days.

Someone replied to him, "you don't know that."  His response?

@Michael_Traikos

@MattyCath you don't. I do.

 

[Kin]

That's true, but, I don't think Komarov is the consensus choice for best anything. My guess is he's seen more as an excellent 4th liner, which would put his base peace at ~$2M, with the UFA bidding war taking it to ~$3M.

As always, your faith in the fiscal responsibility and good decision making of NHL GMs remains a refreshing counterpoint to all of my cynicism.

 

[AvroArrow]

2M for 7 yrs

 

[bustaheims]

As always, your faith in the fiscal responsibility and good decision making of NHL GMs remains a refreshing counterpoint to all of my cynicism.

I prefer to think of it as my cynicism having a different viewpoint. Komarov will be overpaid, but, I don't think there will be enough demand for him to be as overpaid as you do.

 

[bustaheims]

Someone replied to him, "you don't know that."  His response?

@Michael_Traikos

@MattyCath you don't. I do.

Yeah. I saw that. I don't believe he really knows, either. He may be better informed than we are, but, that doesn't mean he's right. Just because Komarov may be asking for top 6 type money (which is what I imagine Traikos is basing his assertion on) doesn't mean he'll get it.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Michael_Traikos: Leo Komarov's agent is in T.O. for draft combine. Says client will play in NHL and looking for long-term deal. Leafs still No 1 choice.

C'mon Nonis, sign him! Whatever it will take!

Sure 7 million a year.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Michael Traikos knows the future.

 

[Rebel_1812]

@Michael_Traikos

To everyone saying they want the Leafs to re-sign Leo Komarov, understand it will cost top-6 money for a bottom-6 forward. Worth it?

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, if he's looking for top 6 type money, he's not going to be playing in the NHL. I mean, I like the guy a lot, but I don't think he's shown anywhere close to enough for an NHL team to give him what most people would consider top 6 dollars. He'll come in at around $3M per, which is 3rd line money these days.

3 mill per year for a 3rd liner.  That means 12 million of cap space from a projected 71 million hard cap for a line that sees likely 10 mins of icetime.  In percentage that would be 16.9% of the cap for a line that will likely account for 40-50 goals.

 

[Kin]

What 3rd line only plays 10 minutes?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@Michael_Traikos

To everyone saying they want the Leafs to re-sign Leo Komarov, understand it will cost top-6 money for a bottom-6 forward. Worth it?

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, if he's looking for top 6 type money, he's not going to be playing in the NHL. I mean, I like the guy a lot, but I don't think he's shown anywhere close to enough for an NHL team to give him what most people would consider top 6 dollars. He'll come in at around $3M per, which is 3rd line money these days.

3 mill per year for a 3rd liner.  That means 12 million of cap space from a projected 71 million hard cap for a line that sees likely 10 mins of icetime.  In percentage that would be 16.9% of the cap for a line that will likely account for 40-50 goals.

Wouldn't it be $9 million in cap space if they were all $3 million?

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah, there's so much wrong with that post that I didn't even know where to start. It was just a full on "no."

 

[nutman]

We need Komarov on this team bad, but I hope they also keep Kulemin as well. If we lock em both up for 3-4yrs I will be be very happy. That will be two key players in our bottom six, and both are a hand full to play against. Add the right guys from the Marlies and were on the right track.

 

[Bullfrog]

What 3rd line only plays 10 minutes?

Carlyle's new strategy. 1st line: 30 mins. 2nd line: 20 mins. 3rd line: 10 mins. 4th line: moral support.

 

[L K]

What 3rd line only plays 10 minutes?

Randy's system last year had things going something like:
1st line - 17 minutes
2nd line - 15 minutes
3rd line - 13 minutes
4th line - 5 minutes

With the rest of the game spread out over PP/PK time.  His 3rd liners (outside of Clarkson) where prominent features on his PK while his 1st/2nd line made up his PP units.

I honestly wonder how much of the Komarov talk is garbage "he's 'Russian' and loves the KHL" kind of typical media garbage.  He took more money to play in the KHL last year, but it also had a bit of an ulterior motive to get to play in the Olympics in Sochi. Maybe he still gets picked playing 5-8 minutes with Colton Orr + some PK time but it becomes a lot harder.

I think this random argument that he's demanding 3-4 million or some insane number is entirely based on his ethnic background personally.  I'm sure his number comes somewhere between 2 and 3 million on a 3 year deal.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

He would not go into specifics regarding salary, but it is clear from talking to him that Komarov wants to be paid somewhere close to the US$2-million he was receiving in Russia.

...

If Komarov is playing on the third line, then he cannot be paid second-line money, regardless of his popularity or what he brings in terms of intangibles.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/05/27/former-toronto-maple-leafs-forward-leo-komarov-wants-to-return-to-nhl-but-can-his-old-team-pay-his-asking-price/

So, on the one hand Traikos says Komarov is believed to be looking for similar to $2 million, and in another suggests it is 2nd line money? 

$2 million cap hit comparables

 

[bustaheims]

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/05/27/former-toronto-maple-leafs-forward-leo-komarov-wants-to-return-to-nhl-but-can-his-old-team-pay-his-asking-price/

So, on the one hand Traikos says Komarov is believed to be looking for similar to $2 million, and in another suggests it is 2nd line money? 

$2 million cap hit comparables

This is why I didn't believe him. He's totally hedging his bets here.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/05/27/former-toronto-maple-leafs-forward-leo-komarov-wants-to-return-to-nhl-but-can-his-old-team-pay-his-asking-price/

So, on the one hand Traikos says Komarov is believed to be looking for similar to $2 million, and in another suggests it is 2nd line money? 

$2 million cap hit comparables

This is why I didn't believe him. He's totally hedging his bets here.

He will come in somewhere between $1 million and $10 million #confirmed