Ranking Prospects 2019-2020

[bustaheims]

If KK can keep up this playoff performance perhaps he gets a chance. Hutch not the answer.

Like with Woll and Scott, there's basically zero chance Kaskisuo is team's backup next season, either. If it's not Sparks, it'll be a veteran guy, not someone with zero minutes of NHL experience.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Berrien Scott and Woll hopefully one is good.

Lets hope because we cant go into it with Sparks as backup.

There's multiple reasons why there's literally zero chance that either Scott or Woll is the backup.

Yeah I wasn't suggesting one would be the backup next season I was thinking long term hopefully one emerges as a real goalie that might potentially replace Andersen at some point.

Neither was I. If either of these guys push for a job on the Marlies next season it will give the Leafs options.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If KK can keep up this playoff performance perhaps he gets a chance. Hutch not the answer.

Like with Woll and Scott, there's basically zero chance Kaskisuo is team's backup next season, either. If it's not Sparks, it'll be a veteran guy, not someone with zero minutes of NHL experience.

Don't agree. If KK is the best goalie in camp and they have goalies for the Marlies, I don't see why they wouldn't give him a shot. I also think at the right price Hutch could be the backup. I don't see Sparks back with the Leafs anytime soon.

 

[Zee]

If KK can keep up this playoff performance perhaps he gets a chance. Hutch not the answer.

Like with Woll and Scott, there's basically zero chance Kaskisuo is team's backup next season, either. If it's not Sparks, it'll be a veteran guy, not someone with zero minutes of NHL experience.

I agree with this.  Leafs will look to find the "next McBackup", some journeyman guy who's always done the role and is without a contract or on waivers.  Hopefully there's one out there that can do an adequate job.

 

[Highlander]

If KK can keep up this playoff performance perhaps he gets a chance. Hutch not the answer.

Like with Woll and Scott, there's basically zero chance Kaskisuo is team's backup next season, either. If it's not Sparks, it'll be a veteran guy, not someone with zero minutes of NHL experience.

Don't agree. If KK is the best goalie in camp and they have goalies for the Marlies, I don't see why they wouldn't give him a shot. I also think at the right price Hutch could be the backup. I don't see Sparks back with the Leafs anytime soon.

This is starting to look like the job market opportunties for our youth. Can't have the job without experience, so how to get experience? It's nonsense, you are suggesting that they play KK for several games at NHL level and send him down for more seasoning; a la Sparks and we know how that worked out.  I don't think Sparks is back, unless Dubas puts his foot.
If he finishes with the way he has been playing then why not give him a shot next year out of camp.
If Woll and Scott are coming to the AHL's, who's going to go, we can't carry 4 AHL goalies unless Woll and Scott start out on the Growlers and don't think that is going to happen. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

If KK can keep up this playoff performance perhaps he gets a chance. Hutch not the answer.

Like with Woll and Scott, there's basically zero chance Kaskisuo is team's backup next season, either. If it's not Sparks, it'll be a veteran guy, not someone with zero minutes of NHL experience.

Don't agree. If KK is the best goalie in camp and they have goalies for the Marlies, I don't see why they wouldn't give him a shot. I also think at the right price Hutch could be the backup. I don't see Sparks back with the Leafs anytime soon.

This is starting to look like the job market opportunties for our youth. Can't have the job without experience, so how to get experience? It's nonsense, you are suggesting that they play KK for several games at NHL level and send him down for more seasoning; a la Sparks and we know how that worked out.  I don't think Sparks is back, unless Dubas puts his foot.
If he finishes with the way he has been playing then why not give him a shot next year out of camp.
If Woll and Scott are coming to the AHL's, who's going to go, we can't carry 4 AHL goalies unless Woll and Scott start out on the Growlers and don't think that is going to happen. 

I never suggested to give KK a few NHL games and send him back down for seasoning. I suspect if KK is backup to Freddie and Woll and Scott are ready for the AHL, they might be there and Sparks will be gone, either through waivers or trade. Now should they sign Hutch to backup Freddie, maybe they run with 3. Who knows what Dubas and company will do.

 

[Bullfrog]

Kaskisuo doesn't have half the pedigree and success that Sparks did at this point in his career. Suggesting he has a chance at the back-up position is just not understanding the realities.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Kaskisuo doesn't have half the pedigree and success that Sparks did at this point in his career. Suggesting he has a chance at the back-up position is just not understanding the realities.

I don't see KK with the Leafs but to say he doesn't have a shot if he keeps going on this roll in the playoffs is just not understanding the realities also.
Whoever Dubas/Babs sees as the best guy for the job will get it, regardless of pedigree.

 

[Bullfrog]

A 25 year old goalie who's has a .949 save percentage across 7 playoff games but only an .896 in the regular season?

What reality am I missing? I'm not saying he won't get a shot; of course he will. But the reality is the odds of him being the backup on any NHL team are extremely slim.

 

[Kin]

For Kakiskuo to be the back-up next year they'd have to be making the decision based on an extremely small sample size of playoff games and/or how he looks in the largely meaningless pre-season. Neither should override a much more established track record.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Suggesting he has a chance at the back-up position is just not understanding the realities.

What reality am I missing? I'm not saying he won't get a shot; of course he will.

So when it was suggested that KK has a chance and could potentially be a backup, slim or not, you say anyone suggesting that doesn't understand the realities. Then you say of course he'll get a shot.
No one is arguing his chances are very slim at best. I actually think he has a better shot at it then Sparks. Something's up there and I don't think it's playing related.

 

[bustaheims]

For Kakiskuo to be the back-up next year they'd have to be making the decision based on an extremely small sample size of playoff games and/or how he looks in the largely meaningless pre-season. Neither should override a much more established track record.

Yeah. And, while AHL numbers can be misleading for goalies, he?ll also be 26 to start next season. So, he?s not exactly a young prospect still figuring things out. At this point, it?s much more likely that he is what we saw in the regular season - a mediocre at best AHL goalie on a hot streak in the playoffs.

 

[Bullfrog]

Suggesting he has a chance at the back-up position is just not understanding the realities.

What reality am I missing? I'm not saying he won't get a shot; of course he will.

So when it was suggested that KK has a chance and could potentially be a backup, slim or not, you say anyone suggesting that doesn't understand the realities. Then you say of course he'll get a shot.
No one is arguing his chances are very slim at best. I actually think he has a better shot at it then Sparks. Something's up there and I don't think it's playing related.

I'm not being contradictory. I'm saying he'll get a shot (opportunity at training camp). I'm also saying he doesn't have a real chance (extremely unlikely).

 

[Highlander]

For Kakiskuo to be the back-up next year they'd have to be making the decision based on an extremely small sample size of playoff games and/or how he looks in the largely meaningless pre-season. Neither should override a much more established track record.

Yeah. And, while AHL numbers can be misleading for goalies, he?ll also be 26 to start next season. So, he?s not exactly a young prospect still figuring things out. At this point, it?s much more likely that he is what we saw in the regular season - a mediocre at best AHL goalie on a hot streak in the playoffs.

I think it is more than that and I commented a few posts back that at some point in the season KK had a Eureka moment, perhaps through a coaching adjustment, something clicked and now he is playing like this. Let's hope he keeps it up.  I would like to see an Athletic article explaining the change.

 

[bustaheims]

I think it is more than that and I commented a few posts back that at some point in the season KK had a Eureka moment, perhaps through a coaching adjustment, something clicked and now he is playing like this. Let's hope he keeps it up.  I would like to see an Athletic article explaining the change.

Seems unlikely. We've seen too many goalies with marginal/mediocre track records go on hot streaks (especially in the playoffs) and then come crashing down to earth just as quickly. He's had a good 7 games. That's it, really. We shouldn't read any more into it, because, odds are, there isn't more there.

 

[Bullfrog]

I fondly remember when future Hall-of-Famer goalie Brian Boucher got his record-breaking shutout streak:

https://www.nhl.com/news/centennial-memory-retired-goalie-brian-boucher-recalls-streak/c-285465160

After that, he went on to win around 50 more games that season. Oh, wait, I meant 50 more in the rest of his career. Almost like that amazing streak is but a small sample of his overall career.

 

[bustaheims]

I fondly remember when future Hall-of-Famer goalie Brian Boucher got his record-breaking shutout streak:

https://www.nhl.com/news/centennial-memory-retired-goalie-brian-boucher-recalls-streak/c-285465160

After that, he went on to win around 50 more games that season. Oh, wait, I meant 50 more in the rest of his career. Almost like that amazing streak is but a small sample of his overall career.

Or Andrew Hammond's exceptional run in 14/15, only to see him not able to crack an NHL roster this season, and only getting into a single NHL game last season.

 

[cabber24]

I fondly remember when future Hall-of-Famer goalie Brian Boucher got his record-breaking shutout streak:

https://www.nhl.com/news/centennial-memory-retired-goalie-brian-boucher-recalls-streak/c-285465160

After that, he went on to win around 50 more games that season. Oh, wait, I meant 50 more in the rest of his career. Almost like that amazing streak is but a small sample of his overall career.

Fantasy hockey unicorn which I capitalized on.

 

[Highlander]

Look at what a bust Dubnyk was, bouncing from team to team, then something clicked, he took some coaching in something or other and he was like a new guy. Anyway will stop with the KK thing,  what will be will be.

 

[bustaheims]

Look at what a bust Dubnyk was, bouncing from team to team, then something clicked, he took some coaching in something or other and he was like a new guy. Anyway will stop with the KK thing,  what will be will be.

Dubnyk had 3 straight NHL seasons with a Sv% .914 or higher before his one awful year that saw him him "bounce from team to team," from which he's rebounded to perform at a similar level to how he did previous to that season, just for teams that did a better job of preventing shots against. Nothing just "clicked" for him.