Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
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Bender said:
He hasn't fallen so much as he just doesn't fill the NHL squad's gaps. Kapanen was a similar player of arguably lesser skill in certain capacities, but has leveraged an asset (speed) to fill a niche the Leafs needed (PK). Johnsson was primarily a PP sniper coming up the Swedish system and under Dubas/Keefe transformed into a stronger skating puck hound and garbage goal scoring threat (Dubas likens him to Arvidsson). Engvall was a large PP shooter that has developed a two-way game off of his size and skating. If Bracco can add one + level element to his off-puck game, he's in. As it stands, Bracco is on track to being Seth Griffith'd.
Edit: Frank beat me to it.
The comments in the article are amazingly similar to some of our conversations here lol
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9. Timothy Liljegren
He played hard minutes for the Marlies as a mostly 19 year old and got the Focus on Defense training regimen. And by all accounts, his defense has improved significantly.
He played hard minutes for the Marlies as a mostly 19 year old and got the Focus on Defense training regimen. And by all accounts, his defense has improved significantly.
herman said:
I was pretty surprised to see Pronman rate both Bracco and Woll ahead of him recently. I think he should be comfortably ahead of both them at this point (as he is on these rankings) but we'll see what the future holds.
Bender said:
Bracco I at least somewhat understood because Pronman loves those types of players and he did put up serious numbers in the AHL this past season. But Woll? A voodoo goalie coming out of the NCAA who only put up average looking numbers throughout his career? He's even a year older than Liljegren. I feel like you'd have to think Woll has legitimate starting goalie potential to rank him that high and there's probably really only 1-3 goalie prospects league wide at any given point that I'd say that about.
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For reference:
I think the linearity of the list presentation obscures that he's probably ranking them in more of a tier and heavily favours offensive ceiling in his projections (a la Laine > Matthews). What puts Woll in the conversation likely has to do with positional value. An NHL backup goalie > 3rd pair D?
My ranking of the same list by ceiling is more like
Matthews
Marner, Nylander
Sandin, Dermott, Liljegren
Kapanen, Robertson
Woll
Bracco
but what do I know? I'm still tempted to slot Nylander over Marner by a narrow margin. Yeah it's different than my page 4 T25U25 rankings, but that was me guessing what PPP voters would do.
I think the linearity of the list presentation obscures that he's probably ranking them in more of a tier and heavily favours offensive ceiling in his projections (a la Laine > Matthews). What puts Woll in the conversation likely has to do with positional value. An NHL backup goalie > 3rd pair D?
My ranking of the same list by ceiling is more like
Matthews
Marner, Nylander
Sandin, Dermott, Liljegren
Kapanen, Robertson
Woll
Bracco
but what do I know? I'm still tempted to slot Nylander over Marner by a narrow margin. Yeah it's different than my page 4 T25U25 rankings, but that was me guessing what PPP voters would do.
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8. Travis Dermott
Dragging Ozhiganov around the ice apparently did a number on people's perception of Dermott.
Dragging Ozhiganov around the ice apparently did a number on people's perception of Dermott.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I mean, it's not a prospects list.
We seem to have this conversation about this fun summer exercise every year and I don't get it. It's a top 25 under 25. Which players under 25 are most valuable to this franchise. It shouldn't be hard to look at a "young full time NHLer" like Trevor Moore and say Rasmus Sandin has more value to the franchise than him. Just apply that principal to every player.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
So you'd really have no complaints about the process of the list, which is titled "Top 25 under 25" if I just moved it to it's own thread? That's really your only problem here?
It's in a prospects thread because the majority of the list deals with prospects.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Fine. I'll just recap then that you directly criticized Pension Plan Puppets, a blog that has nothing to do with TMLFans, and called their specific ranking system of players in the Leafs organization "almost perversely stupid" all because of where TMLFans, a forum that has nothing to do with PPP, choose to discuss said rankings.