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Kin
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TML fan said:
Yeah, nobody wants you to feel sorry for Phillips. I just don't think people should ignore the facts of the matter because they're super eager to cast Phillips as this week's "greedy athlete who's out of touch with the fans" despite the fact that it bears absolutely no relation to the truth or anything he said. The fact that you're looking to poke holes in his story despite having no knowledge of his negotiations and all he said, in passing mind you, is something about he felt says it all.
Kin
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TML fan said:
Because I, as a sports fan, want to cultivate a media atmosphere where someone like Phillips who's an interesting, personable guy who speaks without the kinds of filters most athletes do doesn't retreat into the world of bland perfunctory cliches because they want to avoid the noise and blowback created by a group of bitter, jealous, reactionary fans who react to any athlete saying anything about money with "OMG I WOULD PLAY FOR FREE! YOU PLAY A KIDS GAME FOR LOTS OF MONEY AND I CRACK ROCKS FOR 30 HOURS A DAY FOR GRUEL! I PAY YOUR SALARY! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"
Kin
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TML fan said:
Yes, but fans read message boards. Opinions on message boards influence fans, hopefully. Fans help create the media atmosphere by calling in to sports talk radio shows and posting on articles and so on and so forth. Better informed fans = better atmosphere they create.
hockeyfan1
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Suppose, just suppose, a scenario where Votto would be paid $150M and Philips $100M, having been negotiated in the exact same manner to Philips as he's presently upset about. Now, would Philips still have expressed his complaints (concernIng the Reds contract negotiation tactics) or would he have let it go?
Just a hypothetical question.
Remember, Votto currently makes more than twice, almost three times Philips' contract. It's doubtful Philips would have complained as much even with his being disappointed at how the negotiations went if the dollar figure of his contract wcould have nearly matched Votto's. At that price tag of $IOOM, he wouldn't have wanted to be dubbed a true sourpuss.
The psychology would have worked differently in this case.
Just a hypothetical question.
Remember, Votto currently makes more than twice, almost three times Philips' contract. It's doubtful Philips would have complained as much even with his being disappointed at how the negotiations went if the dollar figure of his contract wcould have nearly matched Votto's. At that price tag of $IOOM, he wouldn't have wanted to be dubbed a true sourpuss.
The psychology would have worked differently in this case.
maplesyrup
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Much needed new topic... 
Article XI, Section A1b...
Basically it gives Selig the power to do just about anything including bypassing the usual grievance procedures with the players union as long as it is on an issue ?involving the preservation of the integrity of, or the maintenance of public confidence in, the game of baseball.?
Apparently, Selig is prepared to invoke it if A-Rod does not agree to the league's suspension.
I didn't know about that one and I'm curious if anyone knows if Gary Bettman has his equivalent in hockey's CBA.
Article XI, Section A1b...
Basically it gives Selig the power to do just about anything including bypassing the usual grievance procedures with the players union as long as it is on an issue ?involving the preservation of the integrity of, or the maintenance of public confidence in, the game of baseball.?
Apparently, Selig is prepared to invoke it if A-Rod does not agree to the league's suspension.
I didn't know about that one and I'm curious if anyone knows if Gary Bettman has his equivalent in hockey's CBA.
Kin
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Dr. Bobby Leafer said:Much needed new topic...
Article XI, Section A1b...
Basically it gives Selig the power to do just about anything including bypassing the usual grievance procedures with the players union as long as it is on an issue ?involving the preservation of the integrity of, or the maintenance of public confidence in, the game of baseball.?
Apparently, Selig is prepared to invoke it if A-Rod does not agree to the league's suspension.
I didn't know about that one and I'm curious if anyone knows if Gary Bettman has his equivalent in hockey's CBA.
For what it's worth though the "Best Powers" clause has never seriously been tested in court and, when it has(and I think it was during the problem Baseball had with cocaine....I think when Faye Vincent tried to suspend Steve Howe maybe?) it hasn't gone well for MLB. I know Bowie Kuhn considered trying to overrule the arbitrator's decision that overturned the reserve clause and gave players free agency with the mentioned powers and Marvin Miller absolutely threatened to take that to court so I don't think it's absoluteness is something universally agreed upon.
Anyway, I really resent Bud Selig and MLB in this instance because they're doing something that I'd have thought just about impossible which is to make me on A-Rod's side about anything. I get that Major League Baseball and an obedient press is caught up in thinking PED's are a really big deal and TOTALLY DIFFERENT than the fact that their players have been cramming amphetamines for nearly fifty years but at the very least I think that if you have a drug policy, which MLB does, and you have harsh suspensions for violators of it that have been collectively bargained, which MLB does, then you either have to suspend players according to that policy or not. You can't suspend them for longer than the Drug Policy allows and then not even say what they're being suspended for or what they've done that broke rules.
maplesyrup
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The extra wild card seems to have picked up the trade chatter - which I like.
GhostofPotvin29
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Corn Flake
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Phillies fire Charlie Manuel. Ryne Sandberg to take over for now.
bustaheims
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Peter D. said:
The thought there was that he'd only leave the Phillies if the position opened up with the Cubs.
Champ Kind
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Potvin29 said:
LOL "Bastardo". One of the great names of MLB.