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The Official 2013 MLB Thread

What gospel? I'm stating an opinion. And prejudice? I don't care enough about Brandon Phillips to be prejudice. You on the other hand, are defending him like he's your bro and you're in the alley with 20 angry bikers. You're the one who has something invested here.
 
TML fan said:
What gospel? I'm stating an opinion.
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Oh please. You're stating as absolute fact something you have no way of knowing and that nobody has even claimed. You have no idea what the Reds' budget is and all of the effort you've gone to pretend you do is just indicative of some weird axe to grind.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
What gospel? I'm stating an opinion.
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Oh please. You're stating as absolute fact something you have no way of knowing and that nobody has even claimed. You have no idea what the Reds' budget is and all of the effort you've gone to pretend you do is just indicative of some weird axe to grind.
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I'm not stating anything as fact. I'm merely providing what I believe are plausible scenarios, and not feeling sorry that Phillips wasn't privy to their operational decisions.

The only one here with an axe to grind is you bud.
 
TML fan said:
I'm not stating anything as fact. I'm merely providing what I believe are plausible scenarios, and not feeling sorry that Phillips wasn't privy to their operational decisions.
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Yeah, nobody wants you to feel sorry for Phillips. I just don't think people should ignore the facts of the matter because they're super eager to cast Phillips as this week's "greedy athlete who's out of touch with the fans" despite the fact that it bears absolutely no relation to the truth or anything he said. The fact that you're looking to poke holes in his story despite having no knowledge of his negotiations and all he said, in passing mind you, is something about he felt says it all.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
I'm not stating anything as fact. I'm merely providing what I believe are plausible scenarios, and not feeling sorry that Phillips wasn't privy to their operational decisions.
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Yeah, nobody wants you to feel sorry for Phillips. I just don't think people should ignore the facts of the matter because they're super eager to cast Phillips as this week's "greedy athlete who's out of touch with the fans: despite the fact that it bears absolutely no relation to the truth or anything he said. The fact that you're looking to poke holes in his story despite having no knowledge of his negotiations and all he said, in passing mind you, is something about he felt says it all.
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You know what else? Brandon Phillips doesn't care what I think about Brandon Phillips, so why the hell do you?
 
TML fan said:
You know what else? Brandon Phillips doesn't care what I think about Brandon Phillips, so why the hell do you?
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Because I, as a sports fan, want to cultivate a media atmosphere where someone like Phillips who's an interesting, personable guy who speaks without the kinds of filters most athletes do doesn't retreat into the world of bland perfunctory cliches because they want to avoid the noise and blowback created by a group of bitter, jealous, reactionary fans who react to any athlete saying anything about money with "OMG I WOULD PLAY FOR FREE! YOU PLAY A KIDS GAME FOR LOTS OF MONEY AND I CRACK ROCKS FOR 30 HOURS A DAY FOR GRUEL! I PAY YOUR SALARY! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"
 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
You know what else? Brandon Phillips doesn't care what I think about Brandon Phillips, so why the hell do you?
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Because I, as a sports fan, want to cultivate a media atmosphere where someone like Phillips who's an interesting, personable guy who speaks without the kinds of filters most athletes do doesn't retreat into the world of bland perfunctory cliches because they want to avoid the noise and blowback created by a group of bitter, jealous, reactionary fans who react to any athlete saying anything about money with "OMG I WOULD PLAY FOR FREE! YOU PLAY A KIDS GAME FOR LOTS OF MONEY AND I CRACK ROCKS FOR 30 HOURS A DAY FOR GRUEL! I PAY YOUR SALARY! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"
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I'm not a media personality. I'm a guy on a message board. My opinion means nothing to everybody, most of all Brandon Phillips.
 
TML fan said:
I'm not a media personality. I'm a guy on a message board. My opinion means nothing to everybody, most of all Brandon Phillips.
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Yes, but fans read message boards. Opinions on message boards influence fans, hopefully. Fans help create the media atmosphere by calling in to sports talk radio shows and posting on articles and so on and so forth. Better informed fans = better atmosphere they create.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
I'm not a media personality. I'm a guy on a message board. My opinion means nothing to everybody, most of all Brandon Phillips.
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Yes, but fans read message boards. Opinions on message boards influence fans, hopefully. Fans help create the media atmosphere by calling in to sports talk radio shows and posting on articles and so on and so forth. Better informed fans = better atmosphere they create.
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People are going to think what they think. Condescending to people isn't going to make them more receptive to your point of view.
 
TML fan said:
People are going to think what they think. Condescending to people isn't going to make them more receptive to your point of view.
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Some people are lost causes, sure. But the important thing is that their opinions get challenged and exposed so the people reading it don't go down that same rabbit hole.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TML fan said:
People are going to think what they think. Condescending to people isn't going to make them more receptive to your point of view.
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Some people are lost causes, sure. But the important thing is that their opinions get challenged and exposed so the people reading it don't go down that same rabbit hole.
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See, there you go again.
 
Suppose, just suppose, a scenario where Votto would be paid $150M and Philips $100M, having been negotiated in the exact same manner to Philips as he's presently upset about.  Now, would Philips still have expressed his complaints (concernIng the Reds contract negotiation tactics) or would he have let it go?
Just a hypothetical question.

Remember, Votto currently makes more than twice, almost three times Philips' contract.  It's doubtful Philips would have complained as much even with his being disappointed at how the negotiations went if the dollar figure of his contract wcould have nearly matched Votto's.  At that price tag of $IOOM, he wouldn't have wanted to be dubbed a true sourpuss.
The psychology would have worked differently in this case.

 
 
Much needed new topic...  :)

Article XI, Section A1b...

Basically it gives Selig the power to do just about anything including bypassing the usual grievance procedures with the players union as long as it is on an issue ?involving the preservation of the integrity of, or the maintenance of public confidence in, the game of baseball.?

Apparently, Selig is prepared to invoke it if A-Rod does not agree to the league's suspension.

I didn't know about that one and I'm curious if anyone knows if Gary Bettman has his equivalent in hockey's CBA.
 
Dr. Bobby Leafer said:
Much needed new topic...  :)

Article XI, Section A1b...

Basically it gives Selig the power to do just about anything including bypassing the usual grievance procedures with the players union as long as it is on an issue ?involving the preservation of the integrity of, or the maintenance of public confidence in, the game of baseball.?

Apparently, Selig is prepared to invoke it if A-Rod does not agree to the league's suspension.

I didn't know about that one and I'm curious if anyone knows if Gary Bettman has his equivalent in hockey's CBA.
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For what it's worth though the "Best Powers" clause has never seriously been tested in court and, when it has(and I think it was during the problem Baseball had with cocaine....I think when Faye Vincent tried to suspend Steve Howe maybe?) it hasn't gone well for MLB. I know Bowie Kuhn considered trying to overrule the arbitrator's decision that overturned the reserve clause and gave players free agency with the mentioned powers and Marvin Miller absolutely threatened to take that to court so I don't think it's absoluteness is something universally agreed upon.

Anyway, I really resent Bud Selig and MLB in this instance because they're doing something that I'd have thought just about impossible which is to make me on A-Rod's side about anything. I get that Major League Baseball and an obedient press is caught up in thinking PED's are a really big deal and TOTALLY DIFFERENT than the fact that their players have been cramming amphetamines for nearly fifty years but at the very least I think that if you have a drug policy, which MLB does, and you have harsh suspensions for violators of it that have been collectively bargained, which MLB does, then you either have to suspend players according to that policy or not. You can't suspend them for longer than the Drug Policy allows and then not even say what they're being suspended for or what they've done that broke rules.
 
@Ken_Rosenthal

Among players accepting 50-game suspensions: #Rangers? Cruz, #Tigers? Peralta, #Phlllies? Bastardo, #Mets? Valdespin, #Padres? Cabrera.
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@Ken_Rosenthal

Colon, Grandal, Melky get no additional discipline. No violations found for #Nationals? Gio Gonzalez. #Orioles? Valencia. They are clear.
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@Ken_Rosenthal

Also suspended: #Yankees? Cervelli, #Mariners? Montero, #Mets? Puello, #Astros? Escalona, #Padres? De Los Santos, #Yankees? F. Martinez.
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Corn Flake said:
Phillies fire Charlie Manuel.  Ryne Sandberg to take over for now.
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I was under the impression Sandberg was holding out for the Cubs' job. Or at least that's what was suggested when he was mentioned as a potential candidate for the Blue Jays.
 
Peter D. said:
I was under the impression Sandberg was holding out for the Cubs' job. Or at least that's what was suggested when he was mentioned as a potential candidate for the Blue Jays.
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The thought there was that he'd only leave the Phillies if the position opened up with the Cubs.
 
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